Another New Guy Looking for Advice

Montana Chet,welcome! You've come to the right part of the internet to learn about peas,hope you will become a regular here.

Now onto my questions:
1. How do you make a profit on peafowl and realistically, how profitable are they? Is most of the money made through the internet nowadays or is it still a fairly local minded business? Is there a demand for unhatched chicks, hatched chicks or adults? How about the feathers, are they profitable? I know you can sell all of that but is it profitable.
Raising peas is not a get rich hobby by no means. The internet lets anyone know you have peacocks on a GLOBAL scale. There is demand for everything you have listed because prices are diffrent for fertile eggs,peachicks,and older birds. Three years ago I sold 90% of my peas eggs that was laid,now I hatch about 95% of the eggs they lay.

2. Do you have to keep peacocks and peahens separated until breeding and then separate them again? How about chicks, do you have to keep them separated from the peacocks? When the chicks are old enough to be out of the brooder, do they go in with the peahens or are the separated too?
I pen breed for specific colors and for the most part my Peacocks and Peahens are together all year long,in the group they will likely be in come breeding season.My peachicks never come in contact with dirt until they are 1 year old.I have one building and outside pen that are on a big slab of concrete. Peachicks are kept insid emy garage in a big pen on the concrete floor until about 3 months old,then they get moved to the outside concrete floored pen. Too many health issues with peas growing up on dirt for me.

3. Do you suggest getting hatched chicks or unhatched chicks to start my peafowl? What are the pros and cons of each? Buy adults old enough to breed.Shipped fertile eggs is a crap shoot and the postal service doesn't handle them well. Pea eggs can be expensive,and take it from somone who has spent hundreds of dollars on shipped fertile eggs,,buying breeding aged adult birds is cheaper in the long run.

4. If a peahen isn't bread until she is 3, is that a problem? I assume if I get 4 chicks I hope I get at least on peahen or one peacock so I can breed them but I hear peahens are ready to breed at 1 or 2 and peacocks at 3 and I wonder if that would become a problem for some reason. If you buy peachicks a few months old they can be sexed so you know what your getting.

5. If you have multiple peacocks, do you have to keep them separated from each other? How many peafowl would you advise per pen (pens being as large as needed, not cramped)? My breeding aged males never intermingle with other breeding aged males not even in the wintertime. They stay with the hens they will or have been with during breeding season all thru the winter inside pens.It's recommended 100 sq fr per bird but if your breeding groups stays together all year long and gets along as most of mine do,they can get by on less square footage per bird.

6. What all do I need to start? I know I will need a brooder box regardless and an incubator if I get them unhatched but what else is needed? Is there any "tools of the trade"? If you eventually want 30-40 breeding peas then plan now and plan for more. With this many birds you can easily have trios or quads of many difrent colors and patterns. If you pen breed like I do and if your eventually going to hatch peachicks start looking for cost effective ways to build your aviary,and breeding pens,and also you will need to consider an adequate sized incubator and housing-rearing of those peachicks once they hatch.

7. What do you suggest for a brooder box and incubator? What are things to look for in them and/or what one do you suggest specifically? This all depends on how many and what colors of peas you will have and how many eggs you will hatch per season.

8. Should my pens have water plumbed in so I can wash the inside of the shed or does that cause problems (ex: mold, disease, etc.)? I will probably plumb it in for filling water dishes too but wondering on how to best clean the shed and pens. You will discover Peas would rather be outside 99% of the time,compared to being inside. They are nothing compared to chickens when it comes to dust in my opinion.

9. Do you suggest grass in the pens or dirt? How about straw? Are small trees or shrubs a good addition to the pens? My breeding peans were grass but after the first year it no longer has grown back and I now use grass hay to cover my outside pen dirt floors with because during heavy rains here the pen will become a muddy mess and the peacocks trains will get so full of mudd they cannot fly on the perches so now each spring I cover the outside breeding pens with straw or grass hay.

So that's all I can think of right now! I'm sure I'll have more questions later. Thanks in advance for any advice! One last thought,,always plan for expansion. When I originally started I was only going to have maybe 3 breeding pens with 3 diffrent colors. Those 3 pens are now 11 breeding pens and we have 10? colors. If your constructing new pens and buildings don't design your plans in the corner of your property that won't allow for adding pens,ect. My entire back area of my property is perfect for adding more pens as I need them until my feed bill is large enough to choke a horse,then I will stop expanding,ect.
 
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Thanks for the welcome everyone! And thank you very much for the added advice MinxFox and frenchblackcopper! Just to give everyone a bit of an update on what I am thinking now after considering what everyone has said so far, here is a bit of an update.

So the next few weeks are already crazy busy with weddings, house projects, and other commitments so I can't really start building any pens until about July at the earliest. Also, I started pricing out how much building my first set of pens would cost and to do it the way I want, its going to be well over $2500. Not outrageous but more than I can handle right now, so, I am also debating on building a set of pens in a slightly different spot out of scrap lumber and such I have laying around from old buildings on our property. The pens would be very well constructed but out of scraps and old lumber so it would be much cheaper. Reason I would build them in a slightly different spot is the spot I want to build my pens would actually be inset in a hill to gain a bit of ground heat and insulation, and the old lumber will rot very quickly in those conditions and I really don't want to have to try and rebuild those pens. When I build the pens inset in the hill I will use treated lumber and galvanized tin so that it will be built right and last for years. So I may build these old lumber pens as "temporary" pens to get things started and also, to learn more about the birds so the final pens are constructed after knowing a bit more about them.

Then, I found someone in Montana that sells peafowl as well. I like the sounds of doing business with them for my first birds mostly because I can get the birds without shipping them through the mail and I can get one year old birds or even a few years old. It would give me a good start and then later, I can purchase birds from other people to get different bloodlines and colors and such.

I was going to also ask, how detailed of records does everyone keep?

I don't know if its necessary but I want to keep track of where each bird came from, type of coloring, bloodlines, how many eggs per year, survival of chicks, etc. and have it all in a book system so I can avoid inbreeding and to know which birds are productive and which aren't so I can keep the productive ones and sell the less productive ones and keep stronger bloodlines so I have the best production. I am relating this all to running cows, because I am familiar with that. Is there anything else you suggest I keep track of?

Also, do you "tag" your birds for more exact identification?

I know you can get leg tags and wonder if that would be a better way to keep track of each bird. I know if I get very many birds, I will probably do so for more exact record keeping but wondered if anyone else did that.

So that's about it for questions and information this time around but I am really thinking on shooting for getting some peafowl by the end of August. We will see what all life throws at us between now and then but that's my current goal. Thanks again for all the welcomes and advice!
 
Sounds like a good plan to me. You are probably going to love peafowl anyway because most people that get them definitely love them and then become addicted to getting more peafowl, but having cheaper pens to start with is a good idea that way if you decide peafowl are not for you, you won't have as much invested in it.

I love getting peafowl locally. It is wonderful to see the birds in person and definitely a good thing to do for getting your first birds.

I didn't have any super fancy records until this year I started using an excel spread sheet and I assign each peafowl a number and I write down things like what you said: Where I bought them, parents (if I know their parents), age & date hatched if I have that, variety, offspring, etc.
I only have one pen but once I have more than one pen I would also add what pen number the bird is kept in. I don't band my birds but eventually I might. Some people wing band them on both wings as chicks, but when they are adults it can be hard to see this band because their feathers will probably cover it. I have always thought that once I start putting some form of identification on my peafowl I would like to go for using leg bands. You can buy them with numbers on them and even get your contact info on them. You can get metal ones, plastic ones, etc and they come in different colors so you can color code it like say Cameos get red bands while Peaches get yellow bands or something like that. Here is simplified example from my site of how I keep records currently: http://www.bamboopeacock.com/Breeding_Plan.html
 
I will suggest buying adult birds too or yearling birds, some people may get bored of waiting their peachicks to reach breeding age. When i start raising peafowls i bought few peachicks but after a year i sold most of these peachicks and replaced them with adult birds.
 
See i am different when i want something it will almost always be a baby when i get it i love caring for them and watching them grow, i know what i have right from the start and never have to wonder what i might get when it comes to personality but if I were just raising them for the monetary reasons then yes adults would have been my best bet .
 
Thanks for the comments and advice q8peafowl and zazouse! I thought very similarly as zaz, I like the idea of raising them so I know what I am getting but at the same time q8feafowl has a point as well. There are definitely pros and cons to each. I am thinking on doing adult birds from the start. Here is my reasons or excuses(which ever term you prefer).

1. They will be more "profitable" from the start. I understand that this isn't a million dollar business I am getting into but if I can jump in and start generating revenue to offset my costs from the get go, definitely a big plus for me. It will help with being able to build this into a business quicker and hopefully get out of the red and into the black sooner rather than later.

2. Its a bit less risky. Being new to birds, I think an adult can handle more "mistakes" than chicks. I'm not planning on screwing up all the time and I am going to do my research before I do take the plunge but I am human and do make mistakes and I would think an adult could handle more than a chick.

3. They will give me chicks fairly quick anyways. Who knows, I could get them and have chicks a few months later depending on time and breeding and such. I actually hope not because I want to get the hang of it first but if so, I'll be prepared.

4. Nothing is set in stone. I could get two of the best birds or get two of the most devilish peafowl known to man, who knows. If they are horrible birds, maybe, by treating them with tlc, they may come around. If not, I get a few birds from them, treat them with love and get rid of the old ones. Who knows, its all a gamble regardless.

So that is why I am thinking adults. I love the idea of watching them grow up but its not saying I won't get to watch possibly hundreds more grow up later in life. In my situation and for what I plan, I personally think starting with adults would be my best bet. But I do appreciate all the advice! Who knows, between now and when I do purchase my first peafowl, I may change my mind!
 
Sure its fun to watch your chicks growing and you can have a lot of pictures for them to see how they grow that fast later
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Hi! I'm in Montana too near Great Falls. Welcome! I have a pair of 2 yr India blue pieds....my hen has laid 6 eggs so far. :)
If you get peas, the best thing I've done for them besides an insulated shed, is to make a heated roost so they don't get frostbite or loose their toes. I don't know if the market is the greatest out here, but if you get NPIP certified, you can ship your birds anywhere in the US. Eggs also go for a pretty good price on eBay....especially any color other than India blue. I would go with juveniles or adults. I had mine shipped in because I didn't know anyone in MT with pieds. You also have to remember they don't produce well until 3 yrs. you can get eggs at 2 yrs but that's no guarantee.
I'd love to have so many different colors ! Especially bronze pied or opal pied. I love peas with white mixed in. Good luck on your decision.
 

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