. Also, I started pricing out how much building my first set of pens would cost and to do it the way I want, its going to be well over $2500. Not outrageous but more than I can handle right now, so, I am also debating on building a set of pens in a slightly different spot out of scrap lumber and such I have laying around from old buildings on our property. The pens would be very well constructed but out of scraps and old lumber so it would be much cheaper. Reason I would build them in a slightly different spot is the spot I want to build my pens would actually be inset in a hill to gain a bit of ground heat and insulation, and the old lumber will rot very quickly in those conditions and I really don't want to have to try and rebuild those pens. When I build the pens inset in the hill I will use treated lumber and galvanized tin so that it will be built right and last for years. So I may build these old lumber pens as "temporary" pens to get things started and also, to learn more about the birds so the final pens are constructed after knowing a bit more about them.