Another wolf attack in Oregon

[duck&chickencrazy]

If my dog kills someones animal I am responsible. These dogs/wolves are the governments animals and should be made to pay for them. This was a binge killing not a wolf hunting game.The wolves put here are not native to this area, they are canadian grey wolves.

Now I know where to dump the next raccoon I catch.

So putting a domestic animal in an enclosure giving it no means to escape a wolf is OK? or would you blame yourself for that also?

Is taking a wolf from its native habitat putting it in an environment that will draw it into a domestic issue responsible?

What you are saying about dumping a raccoon makes no sense...
If I put an animal in an enclosure that is not predator proof then yes it is my fault, thats what I said in my previous post.

 

[cupman]

The only reason chickened is even bringing this issue up is because it's such a partisan issue and he loves arguing politics. According to the Oregon Department of Fish and Wildlife there have been 57 livestock deaths in the last three years which averages out to be just over once a month or 19 per year. We have cougars that are wiping out livestock and deer/elk populations at a much more alarming rate but because cougars aren't politicized chickened doesn't seem interested in the issue.

If you PM me your address, chickened, I'll mail you my old copy of A Sand County Alamanac.

 

[chickened]

What you are saying about dumping a raccoon makes no sense...
If I put an animal in an enclosure that is not predator proof then yes it is my fault, thats what I said in my previous post.

If your animal kills my animal on my property you as the OWNER are responsible, what is so difficult about that concept? In this case the government is the owner which was my point. Listen to what you are saying it makes no sense. Or is it that if the government animals cause damage they are not responsible especially after they put them there? They pay damage for other wildlife to property owners only now that damage is from predators not herbivores. They have been doing it for years. Why shoulda wolf be any different?

Read the links they are from ORS; Oregon Revised Statutes

 

[punk-a-doodle]

Quote: Wildlife is managed at the federal and state level. There are compensation funds for livestock killed by wildlife, and even for protective measures they must take. For your state in particular:
-http://www.oregonlive.com/environment/index.ssf/2011/12/oregon_begins_compensation_pro.html
-http://www.oregonwild.org/about/pre...e-house-votes-to-pay-ranchers-for-wolf-kills/

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[chickened]

What you are saying about dumping a raccoon makes no sense...
If I put an animal in an enclosure that is not predator proof then yes it is my fault, thats what I said in my previous post.

So a sheep farmer is supposed to put 10,000 sheep in a pen that is wolf proof? or shoot the wolf? which is more practical or expediant?

 

[chickened]

Wildlife is managed at the federal and state level. There are compensation funds for livestock killed by wildlife, and even for protective measures they must take. For your state in particular:
-http://www.oregonlive.com/environment/index.ssf/2011/12/oregon_begins_compensation_pro.html
-http://www.oregonwild.org/about/pre...e-house-votes-to-pay-ranchers-for-wolf-kills/

Thank you.

 

[herfrds]

I believe that whenever livestock or even a pet is killed by a wild animal, it is the owners fault and not the animals (the animal is doing what it was born to do, survive). No matter where you live you will always have the risk of a wild dog or coyote (or a predator of some sort) killing your livestock. So you should be prepared for livestock killing if you do not have proper protection for your animals. This person could have just as easily lost his sheep to some wild dogs.

If I ever lose an animal to a predator I blame myself not the animal. I understand that the animal is just trying to survive and I think of what I can do to make my enclosure better. Or if it happened because I was dumb enough to leave my animals outside at night unsupervised, I would make sure to start putting them away at night.

I think its amazing and a great thing that wolves are making a comeback after we killed them off of many of their natural locations.

So it is our fault when a wolf comes on our property and attacks one of our calves? It then eats the calf while it is still alive?
So you have a barn big enough to put in our 50 plus head? How about guys running over 1000 head of cattle?
Cattle have smothered in barns. So get your info straight!

 

[chickened]

There are no laws preventing those people who want wolves on thier land from creating habitat for them but there should be laws that allow those who don't a means to protect thier property from them.

 

[mom'sfolly]

Land issues and wildlife issues in the west are complicated, and very heated politically....some of the issues get very extreme....

Are livestock leases on public land done at market value?
Are wild (feral) horse hunts justified with the argument that they are non-native species, but the same land is leased for grazing non-native cows or sheep?
Is re-introducing species, elk, bison, pronghorn, prairie dogs,wolves; good or bad? Is it good for hunters? Is it good for tourists? Is it good for ranchers? Is it good for the average citizen? Is it good for the environment?
Are wolfhunts from the air needed to protect moose/elk populations?
Do numbers support doe hunting in certain areas?
Do we protect species at the potential loss of jobs? Does protecting species create different kinds of jobs?
Do we sell timber at below market value?
Do we limit commercial fishing? Is sport fishing and guided fishing limited in the same way?
Do we support local milling of timber or ship raw timber overseas?

These, and many more are touch-button issues. The wolf issue is only one of many.

Chickened's argument that government ownership of wildlife means they need to pay is frankly a little silly. It is like saying that anyone injured in a park gets their medical costs covered by the city/county etc that owns the park.

 

[herfrds]

mom's folly it was the government that brought them in AGAINST the people who lived here wishes.
Go watch www.cryingwolfthemovie.com That was rather interesting that people who did NOT live in the USA had more say in bringing back these killers then those of us who now have to deal with them.

By the way the calves and cow we have lost to them were on our private property. The calves had their guts tore from them while still alive. Only a small amount of the calf was eaten and the rest left to rot.
Maybe talk to the sheep rancher who lost around 120 rams in one night due to wolves attacking and killing them in the pen they were in, they were not even eaten.

So what if a rancher is paying less then market value for a fed lease. Because the rancher must provide all the fencing, weed spray, and if needed water development of springs or fence his cattle from them. THEN must pay taxes on top of the lease monies paid out.
Maybe you should price out the costs of running a lease. Besides they are already cutting the AUM's for ranchers all over the west.
Why should ranchers allow wild horses to come in and graze their private property bare?
Why should ranchers have to deal with the health risk of contracting undulant fever aka brucerllosis from bison? Our herd is clean.