Any guess on final coloring?

Discussion in 'What Breed Or Gender is This?' started by 2DogsFarm, Sep 14, 2010.

  1. 2DogsFarm

    2DogsFarm Chillin' With My Peeps

    Apr 10, 2009
    NW Indiana
    Sorry - no pics to post : (
    I have two 2-week old mutts from a friend.

    She has Isa Browns & SLW and they have crossed.
    I've seen the final product and the hens are mostly white with penciling on their backs & wings.

    One of my babies looks to be turning into a classic Isa Brown.
    The other started out light yellow fluff with a couple dark dots on her head & back.
    Not much change in this one yet - the wing feathers & eensy tail she has developed look mostly white.
    Any hope of penciling developing?

    At what age can I expect to see if I got a roo & what should I look for?
    Neither has much comb to speak of yet (she says hopefully...).
    I am thinking Hen Thoughts as I only have 5 hens & no need for a roo.

    JROOSTER Chillin' With My Peeps

    Mar 3, 2010
    I can't read this with out pics! [​IMG]
  3. Ridgerunner

    Ridgerunner True BYC Addict

    Feb 2, 2009
    Northwest Arkansas
    Are you saying your chicks are the offspring of an Isa Brown crossed with a SLW? If so, which is the hen and which is the rooster.

    Or are you saying that the offspring of ISA Browns and SLW are the parents of your chicks? If so, again do you know which was the rooster in the first cross between the ISA Browns and SLW? It makes a difference. Or maybe the hens are from this cross and the new rooster is something else?

    The ISA Browns are already a cross between a RIR rooster and a Rhode Island White hen, so you will get mixed results from crossing them with anything else. They have lost the ability to be the parents of sex linked chicks. I think that may be your real question.
  4. 2DogsFarm

    2DogsFarm Chillin' With My Peeps

    Apr 10, 2009
    NW Indiana
    The guy who raises these crosses does not intentionally mix breeds. Everyone freeranges together (Kumbaya). He has a couple Isa Brown roos that I saw, not sure what breed the other boys are.
    These chicks could be from IB hens, SLW hens or mutts.

    I did Google SLW chicks and neither of mine has that coloring so I am thinking I'll end up with one mostly-ISB hen and one ????

    Sorry JRooster - my camera is my phone & it has gotten fluky about emailing pics I take so I can't get them anywhere I can download.

    Any suggestions on what I should be looking for to see if I have pullets or cockerels?
    The chicks are entering the Ugly Dinosaur stage as they fledge and still noone has a noticeably larger comb forming.
    When do roos start to develop spurs?
    These babies will be 3wks old this weekend.
  5. Ridgerunner

    Ridgerunner True BYC Addict

    Feb 2, 2009
    Northwest Arkansas
    It is probably a little early to be able to tell with any assurance whether any are male or female but some clues may be showing up. With the Wyandottes and their rose comb in the mix, going by comb development is probably not the best method. I've never had Wyandottes so I'm not sure how those combs develop. I think being able to tell roos from pullets, especially at a very early age like this, is more of an art than a science. These are the clues I use. These are just clues. None of them are clear, sure, absolute proof. Different chicks develop differently.

    Wattle development is something to look for. The roos' wattles should develop earlier and be darker in color.

    I look at leg size. Roos normally have heavier legs.

    Body configuration. Roos are usually more upright and maybe blockier. This works better when they are all the same breed. With them being crosses or possible crosses, this is probably not as reliable, especially early on.

    When they get older, roos will have pointed hackle and saddle feathers. This doesn't usually help me until they get quite a bit older, but some people seem to be able to use this fairly early. Don't suggest new glasses. I just got some.

    With even the possibility of one of their parents being a cross, color means nothing.

    Sometimes nothing stands out but one will just look like a roo or look like a pullet. That is just experience.

    Behavior usually does not mean anything. Both pullets and roos willl square off and fight, will run/fly across the brooder, coop, or run, and will peck at each other.

    I think you are still at least a week away from being able to make very good guesses. I can usually sort of tell some of the roos at 4 weeks, but some are slower than that to develop. Usually around 6 weeks I have good confidence in saying, this is a roo, but less confidence in being sure that a certain one is truly a pullet. Some roos are just slower to develop. Some breeds are easier than others too. I have more trouble with Orpington than with Delaware, for example. They just develop differently. As I said, more art than science, and I am more scientist by both training and inclination.
    Last edited: Sep 15, 2010
  6. 2DogsFarm

    2DogsFarm Chillin' With My Peeps

    Apr 10, 2009
    NW Indiana
    Ridgerunner - thanks for all the information.
    So it looks like at best I have at least one more week to let these babies show their colors/genders and probably more since I am no expert [​IMG]

    Any tips on having 2 roosters coexist peacefully with a mini-flock of 5 hens?

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