Any ideas about free ranging?

True free ranging, which I define as opening the gate and letting them go, is akin to "running 90 miles an hour down a dead end street" in areas with high predator load. It is a battle of wits........predators vs. the birds.....and generally predators win that battle every time. They are motivated and better at catching the birds than the birds are at avoiding being caught. And the reward to the predator is great, so why not keep coming back? For all they know you put them out for them to eat......like feeding sunflower seeds and suet to wild birds. And generally, there is nothing really to stop them. The brush the birds would go to to hide in also conceals the predators so all they have to do is make a short dash to nab dinner. The fact that so many of them are brazen enough to do that right in front of you says all that needs to be said. They have nothing to fear, or lose, and everything to gain.

And as George says, years ago, when everyone living in the country and on farms had birds and depended on them for food and spending money, varmints.....predators......were dealt with harshly. When I was growing up about 50 years ago, coyote sightings were rare. They had been hunted and trapped into near oblivion. Same with foxes, bobcats, and many other predators. If one did show up, they were shot on sight. Same with hawks and owls. Shot on sight.

Even with that, folks lost a lot of birds to predators. The old Foghorn Leghorn cartoons made light of it, but there was a lot of truth to the gags that ran through those. The chicken hawk.......the goofy dog that was supposed to help protect the flock, etc. It was a fact of life.

When I moved from town to the country a while back, and started raising birds, my mother nearly laughed in my face.......claiming varmints would wipe me out. She had good reason to think that. She had experience......coons wiped her out so many times she gave up. My daughter got birds before me and her free ranged birds were also wiped out. A fox got all of hers.

So here I sit and have yet to lose a single bird to predators of any kind. So what magic am I using? First off, while I let them out to run around in the yard, they are not free ranging. They are yarded. Confined within a yard that establishes a boundary between inside and outside. What establishes the boundary that neither the birds or predators are willing to cross is an electric fence designed for confining and protecting poultry.

A person can make this yard as large or as small as they deem desirable, but the point is, birds do not have to be confined to a run to be protected. They can run around......and the affect is 99% the same as free ranged.......yet they are still protected 24/7. Birds are somewhat fragile and many will still find a way to die......but lost to predators need not be at the top of the list of reasons why.
 
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I spent the day installing a small greenhouse next to their loafing area. Now they have a place to run into that's more secluded than under the trees. Also hooked up predator "eyes" and live trap to catch what we can. Also turning old chain link fenced garden into a new large covered run. Trying to shift the odds in their favor.
 
Thanks, Howard. Really nice ideas. I would like to do the electrical fencing but have to figure out how to enclose a large enough area that doesn't include our goat pasture. My goats would freak out if shocked:eek:
 
where i live too many predators to free range (would just be a free meal for all the predators out there.) we have the common, coyote, weasel and coons most of the time, and have the rare, black bear, bobcat, lynx, cougar, wild hog and what ever birds of prey are around (eagles, hawks etc..) we have our birds in a run all the time (attached to the coop) and lock in every night. also electrical fence helps the defense.
 
Thanks, Howard. Really nice ideas. I would like to do the electrical fencing but have to figure out how to enclose a large enough area that doesn't include our goat pasture. My goats would freak out if shocked:eek:

My place of work maintains sheep and goat flock in pastures / paddocks bounded by high-tensile electric wire in some locations and portable fencing (also electric) in other locations. Paddocks range 1 to almost 20 acres in size and have either a dog or donkey as active predator repellent at least close by. A sufficiently motivated dog can navigate / cross fencing to defend stock and often will not be deterred even when zapped. I have seen Coyotes, Red Fox, and Bobcats get into those area, often routinely but do not go after stock. Behavior predators likely to keep them off radar or livestock guardians.

My setup is free-range with some birds by even the most extreme definitions. For that to work, considerations of cover and forage management are needed to provide reason for chickens to stay in areas that predators are slow to hunt in.

I do not sell products so will not relate experiences / opinions as absolute truths. I have been involved with free-range chickens since the 1970's so learned some local outright predator population management can have benefits so keep that as an option. Avoid being one dimensional in your approach. It is not just about fencing, livestock guarding animals, trapping and shooting predators, Fort Knox style containment, or just living with losses. It is a combination of all in partial use that can be integrated into layers minimizing cost of protecting birds to get losses down to acceptable levels.
 
I agree with almost everything that has been said. I would add that to be effective, electric fences should be designed, setup and maintained with consideration given to the target animal and goal. Containment within, protection from those on the outside trying to get in, or both.

Drove by a cornfield yesterday, upon which a bunch of feeder calves had been turned out to graze on and clean up waste grain. The only containment they had was a single hot wire, about 2 feet off the deck. Corn stalks around the perimeter had been shredded to the ground with only one pass, which meant nothing was going to rise up to ground out the hot wire, and that also created a recognizable boundary to put the calves on notice they were getting close to the wire........a wire only intended to keep the calves in. Any coyotes, dogs or similar predators could routinely walk under that and never even know it was there. So there would be no deterrence keeping varmints out at all.

A typical sheep or goat fence with 4 to 6 wires is a step up from that........and effective at keeping them in......but due to typical wide spacing of the wires.......probably not all that effective at keeping predators out. Most could crawl under the bottom wire with ease. Sheep and goats can't, but predators can. Again, most fences of this type are intended for containment within, not protection from predators lurking on the outside wanting in.

What I use to protect my birds are four wires, set low to the ground:

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This is set low enough to the ground the birds cannot get under or through it without getting zapped, and most varmints going after the birds see this fence as no problem, and most will try to crawl under or through it and get themselves zapped in the process. By zapped, I mean a powerful, violently painful shock of at least 7,000 volts minimum. My fences are much stronger than that.

This is the type of fence that establishes a boundary perimeter most varmints will test, get zapped and then avoid. They don't know what it is that hurts so much, but they do know pain and will avoid it.

Back to the setup......it also helps to establish and maintain a clear zone on either side so animals recognize they are approaching the boundary. Almost like a yellow caution light. It also helps to keep heavy cover or places where the birds hang out away from the boundary of this fence. Seen or heard in the distance, not just right there only a few feet away.

But back to the issue of keeping birds safe, yet still allowing them ample room to roam around to do the things birds like to do, that is how I've done it with no losses to date.

PS: To make that into a goat fence, add one or two more wires on top........and no, these fences will not harm goats or sheep. It will zap them, but they will survive it and respect it.
 
So we've live trapped 2 possums already and taken them to the opposite side of the lake where there is a refuge and they can't just walk home. Waiting to see how many more we catch. Also put up a hoop tent shelter on one side of the area where they free range for some more cover. The guineas have been heroes of the day, warning us of two hawk attacks. So far so good.
 
Yes, I like the idea of electrical fencing. It wouldn't work out here though because we have five grandchildren who run around crazy as only 4-6 years can. I know getting shocked wouldn't hurt them all that much but their parents would go crazy and we might not get them out here again - lol. Yes, they are city kids and not going to be changing their overprotectiveness any time soon.
 
We live on ten heavily forested acres and have had chickens for almost five years. During the day the flock of about 20 free range over about 2 acres and at night they either roost in our secure goat barn or in a very predator proof coop. Over the last month I've noticed a chicken missing every few days. We do have lots of predators but none that were really bothersome until now. But now I'm reconsidering free ranging my flock although I know it would be hard to put the hens in the run after they've had their freedom. Any ideas on making free ranging safer? Or should I just bite the bullet and keep them in their run.
Hello! @Shepherdess I have found the Premier Solar Powered Poultry Netting works very well.. I use it with my chickens.. We almost never have any predator problems, it's easy to set up as well. You can get the netting in about any size and it's easy to move when you want the chickens to be able to get to fresh grass. :thumbsup
 

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