Anybody who has Ameraucanas...

[Sonoran Silkies]

I honestly am not someone who gets hyper about misspellings--sorry if that was misunderstood.

I personally am more concerned about people who make huge issues over leg colour or being a recognised variety versus the overall conformation to breed standard. Yes, leg colour is one part of the standard, but it is not the sum total; same with variety. For every breed there are pet quality birds: as in non-show and non-breeder quality birds. There is a difference between a pet quality ameraucana and an EE.

 

[B. Saffles Farms]

Sonoran Silkies, I know nothing about EEs, Ameraucanas, Aurucanas, or Americanas. You could mix them all up and tell me wahatever you want to tell me they are, I wouldnt know the difference. Im trying to say, teach folks about telling the differences between them, and not worry so much about the spelling.

monarc23,

well said. I think you made my point better than I did.

 

[monarc23]

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your last sentence im soo glad you brought that up. I would have thought that too....yet I was TOLD "if it's not to the standard is NOT an ameraucana it's an EE!"


so then i asked "well lavander isnt in the standard yet, so they'd be EEs right?"


and I got told "NO!"

So that would mean that if they conform but arent to color they CAN be ameraucanas .......and i know SEVERAL breeders are going to once again SAY NO.... but if lavander isnt a standard color yet...then.....technically according to them it should be EE but it's not.... foot goes in mouth ...when? LOL

I agree with you completely that if it's two pure amers then it has to be an Amer just a nonshowable one...simple as that NOT an EE.

 

[klf73]

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I can understand about false advertising the hatcheries do. No prob there. But I honestly dont hold it against someone for not being able to spell. I really think it judgemental to say oh you cant spell that breed that you have, then you are uninformed and dont know what you are talking about. That is wrong to do that. You are saying that anyone who misspells a breed they have then they are uninformed,

Ive been quilty of it before. But Im sure you havent because you are more informed than I am.

My point is worry more and be more picky about educating people on the breed and dont waste all your time making sure they spell it right wethere they now anything about the breed or not. I would rather buy from a breeder that knows alot about the breed but misspells the name, than I would a breeder that dont know anything about the breed but can spell it frontwards, backwards, up and down and every right way imaginable.

not being able to spell the breed you have raises a flag. For example- someone advertises *real nice* doberman pinscher puppies for sale but they spell it as doberman pincer (because that is what spell check suggests). Would you really feel confident buying a pure bred dog from them? Is what they are saying they have and what they actually have the same?
I have purchased *show prospect* puppies and I KNOW I would never buy from someone that can't spell what they have.......
Now, I am not saying because you can spell it means you have it.....but not being able to spell it correctly tells ME a lot....

 

[monarc23]

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I can understand about false advertising the hatcheries do. No prob there. But I honestly dont hold it against someone for not being able to spell. I really think it judgemental to say oh you cant spell that breed that you have, then you are uninformed and dont know what you are talking about. That is wrong to do that. You are saying that anyone who misspells a breed they have then they are uninformed,

Ive been quilty of it before. But Im sure you havent because you are more informed than I am.

My point is worry more and be more picky about educating people on the breed and dont waste all your time making sure they spell it right wethere they now anything about the breed or not. I would rather buy from a breeder that knows alot about the breed but misspells the name, than I would a breeder that dont know anything about the breed but can spell it frontwards, backwards, up and down and every right way imaginable.

not being able to spell the breed you have raises a flag. For example- someone advertises *real nice* doberman pinscher puppies for sale but they spell it as doberman pincer (because that is what spell check suggests). Would you really feel confident buying a pure bred dog from them? Is what they are saying they have and what they actually have the same?
I have purchased *show prospect* puppies and I KNOW I would never buy from someone that can't spell what they have.......
Now, I am not saying because you can spell it means you have it.....but not being able to spell it correctly tells ME a lot....

Dogs I kinda put on a different level only because with quality dogs you get papers, and if they cant take the time to read the paper that says the breeds name and such then that's different. With birds you get nothing unless theres the rare breeder who makes up pedigrees for their birds. I honestly think that birds should be pedigreed like dogs but im sure many would have reasons to say that's a bad idea, but I think it would take away a lot of doubt and i wouldnt mind it at all. All my birds even my quails will have pedigrees when Im able to know who bred to who etc.

 

[klf73]

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I am not a breeder yet (still waiting on those eggs...)but I really like the look of a lot of the EE's, especially the white w/blacks ones. If they bred true

 

[klf73]

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your last sentence im soo glad you brought that up. I would have thought that too....yet I was TOLD "if it's not to the standard is NOT an ameraucana it's an EE!"


so then i asked "well lavander isnt in the standard yet, so they'd be EEs right?"


and I got told "NO!"

So that would mean that if they conform but arent to color they CAN be ameraucanas .......and i know SEVERAL breeders are going to once again SAY NO.... but if lavander isnt a standard color yet...then.....technically according to them it should be EE but it's not.... foot goes in mouth ...when? LOL

I agree with you completely that if it's two pure amers then it has to be an Amer just a nonshowable one...simple as that NOT an EE.

well, the thing about lavender.....it breeds true....

 

[pips&peeps]

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your last sentence im soo glad you brought that up. I would have thought that too....yet I was TOLD "if it's not to the standard is NOT an ameraucana it's an EE!"


so then i asked "well lavander isnt in the standard yet, so they'd be EEs right?"


and I got told "NO!"

So that would mean that if they conform but arent to color they CAN be ameraucanas .......and i know SEVERAL breeders are going to once again SAY NO.... but if lavander isnt a standard color yet...then.....technically according to them it should be EE but it's not.... foot goes in mouth ...when? LOL

I agree with you completely that if it's two pure amers then it has to be an Amer just a nonshowable one...simple as that NOT an EE.

Lavender breeds true, ee's and mixed colored ameraucanas do not. It has been developed and conforms to all other standards and is in the process of being accepted. Now where is the foot?

The whole point of this thread was if you are looking for real ameraucanas, make sure the breeder knows how to spell it. This would indicate someone with some knowlege and experience with the breed.

It wasn't a post to get argumentative people to bash others or their beliefs. I have referred people to the Ameraucana Breeders Club website as there is a wealth of information to read about the differences in ameraucanas, araucanas and easter eggers.

Why would I spend hours typing out that information over and over again since this issue comes up on the forum all the time, when it is readily available with just a click. It is very detailed information and it is beyond me how someone could read it and not get the basics. If someone reads the information on the website and has specific questions about it, then I would be happy to answer them. I can't help someone who just says I don't understand. Well, what part don't you understand???

I would also like to ask that next time anyone out there uses the terms "ameraucana police", I would appreciate if you would do so in a nice way as I am tired of getting bashed and I will start reporting any negative connotations to the mods as "FLAMING".

 

[Smoky73]

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I can understand about false advertising the hatcheries do. No prob there. But I honestly dont hold it against someone for not being able to spell. I really think it judgemental to say oh you cant spell that breed that you have, then you are uninformed and dont know what you are talking about. That is wrong to do that. You are saying that anyone who misspells a breed they have then they are uninformed,

Ive been quilty of it before. But Im sure you havent because you are more informed than I am.

My point is worry more and be more picky about educating people on the breed and dont waste all your time making sure they spell it right wethere they now anything about the breed or not. I would rather buy from a breeder that knows alot about the breed but misspells the name, than I would a breeder that dont know anything about the breed but can spell it frontwards, backwards, up and down and every right way imaginable.

not being able to spell the breed you have raises a flag. For example- someone advertises *real nice* doberman pinscher puppies for sale but they spell it as doberman pincer (because that is what spell check suggests). Would you really feel confident buying a pure bred dog from them? Is what they are saying they have and what they actually have the same?
I have purchased *show prospect* puppies and I KNOW I would never buy from someone that can't spell what they have.......
Now, I am not saying because you can spell it means you have it.....but not being able to spell it correctly tells ME a lot....

This is what I mean. For example, I know, everyone makes spelling errors. Here is my example, and I will use a dog example here. I see an advertisement for Corgys. I see this it tells me that the person advertising the Corgys, was too lazy to even learn about the breed, enough so that they do not even know how to spell the name of what they are selling and are probably just out to make money. It is showing me carelessness in what they are doing, and I stop to wonder if they are careless about other aspects of the dogs care, health, which gives me a huge red flag that they are nothing more than a puppy mill.
And I understand about the pedigree thing and how they do not pedigree chickens. But this can be applied to other aspects. I would not hire someone who could not spell correctly for a job just because we have spell check. Its about how serious you are, or how much you care about the image you are presenting to others, in what you do, if you cannot put effort into learning, and learning some more about what you are doing, raising and breeding, then I do not want to buy anything from you.
These are just my thoughts. I know others will disagree with me and thats fine, I know we all have different opinions.

 

[klf73]

smoky- I agree with you