Anyone non-religious here? Please be nice!

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http://www.wcpo.com/news/local/story/God....m6VF2g2Xeg.cspx


CINCINNATI -- In the wake of multiple, significant threats, the downtown billboard that says “Don’t Believe In God? You are not alone” came down early Thursday morning.

The billboard had gone up Tuesday afternoon at Reading Road and 12th Street, one block south of Liberty Street and it is being moved to a new site Thursday at the Sixth Street Viaduct.

The group that funded the billboard, the United Coalition of Reason, was contacted by Lamar Advertising of Cincinnati. Lamar reported that the landowner of the site had been threatened over the billboard's message and wanted it taken down.

"We weren't given the landowner's identity or precise details," reported Fred Edwords, national director of the United Coalition of Reason. "Nor did we pursue them. It was sufficient to learn that multiple, significant threats had been received and that Lamar would act quickly to alleviate the problem. Lamar was most apologetic to us regarding the situation. It was a development they hadn't expected. Nor had we. Nothing like this has ever happened to us before."

http://www.secularhumanism.org/library/fi/downey_24_4.htm

Caro, Michigan: In December 2001, Anonka—an open atheist who maintains a museum of Christian religious atrocities—appeared before the Tuscola County Board of Commissioners to challenge a nativity scene placed on public land. Commissioners responded angrily, saying she had no right to be present and proceeding to ridicule her. Anonka and her family suffered repeated harassment including annoyance calls, threatening calls and letters, and vandalism. In February 2004, the county settled in U.S. District Court, agreeing to pay an undisclosed sum and to issue a “public expression of regret.”
Pocopson, Pennsylvania: My own atheism came to prominence when I became involved in a legal challenge to a Ten Commandments plaque on the wall of the Chester County, Pennsylvania, courthouse. Neighbors organized a shunning campaign, some area merchants refused to do business with me, and I received hundreds of threatening letters and phone calls. (The depth of public animus against me became a subject of local news and magazine coverage.) I was forced to close my interior decorating business because of death threats that compelled me to stop visiting the homes of persons unknown to me.

Calgary, Alberta: An eleven-year-old boy (name withheld) experienced daily physical attacks and threats against his life by schoolmates—notably the sons of three local pastors—after protesting intercom readings of the Lord’s Prayer in a public school. He was repeatedly body-checked into hallway walls and attacked in the rest rooms. One pastor’s son stalked him with a butcher knife in an empty portable classroom. Despite the seriousness of this incident, no action was taken. The boy’s parents transferred him to another school for his own safety.

Gray, Tennessee: Carletta Sims joined a financial firm in June 2001. Shortly afterward, two Baptist coworkers took offense upon learning that Sims was an atheist. Management granted the coworkers’ request to be assigned workspaces further from Sims. When Sims complained about a picture of Jesus left on her computer, management discharged her. Sims filed suit, seeking $250,000; U.S. District Judge Thomas Hull ruled that “religious discrimination (or preferential treatment of Christians) can be inferred.” In January 2004, the major bank that had since acquired the firm settled with Sims for an undisclosed amount.

Ada, Oklahoma: A Baptist student told a local newspaper she wouldn’t take professor William Zellner’s classes because he was an atheist, triggering a flurry of abuse. Zellner received harassing notes and telephone calls, some threatening. His car was vandalized, for a time on a daily basis. A local church sold “I am praying for Dr. Zellner” buttons. His children experienced shunning and beatings from religious children.

Minneapolis, Minnesota: First-grader Michael Bristor, an atheist, was denied an honor roll certificate when he refused to participate in an unconstitutional “prayer time” at a public school. For three years, administrators ignored the family’s complaints until a lawsuit was filed.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/04/26/us/26atheist.html

Specialist Hall said he did not advertise his atheism. But his views became apparent during his second deployment in 2006. At a Thanksgiving meal, someone at his table asked everyone to pray. Specialist Hall did not join in, explaining to a sergeant that he did not believe in God. The sergeant got angry, he said, and told him to go to another table.
After his run-in with Major Welborn, Specialist Hall did not file a complaint with the Army’s Equal Opportunity Office because, he said, he was mistrustful of his superior officers. Instead, he told leaders of the Military Association of Atheists and Freethinkers, who put him in touch with Mr. Weinstein. In November 2007, Specialist Hall was sent home early from Iraq after being repeatedly threatened by other soldiers. “I caution you that although your ‘legal’ issues are yours and yours alone, I have heard many people disagree with you, and this may be a cause for some of the perceived threats,” wrote Sgt. Maj. Kevin Nolan in Specialist Hall’s counseling for his departure.

Though with a different unit now at Fort Riley, Specialist Hall said the backlash had continued. He has a no-contact order with a sergeant who, without provocation, threatened to “bust him in the mouth.” Another sergeant allegedly told Specialist Hall that as an atheist, he was not entitled to religious freedom because he had no religion.

Thanks for the links PF. The last one in particular irritates me.
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Wandering from the topic, but when I was a kid, my mother's insistence that I hang around the "right" people and go to charm school and deportment lessons (yes, it's true, I am a charm school drop-out) and her rigorous monitoring of my schoolwork and school activities all drove me nuts. I thought she was the worst kind of snob possible. I knew her family hadn't been well-off, but I thought it was extreme.

Wasn't until I was through school and out of the house that I found out that her family had been Dust Bowl Okies and had worked has field hands, sleeping under the family truck, and that she'd only been as far as 4th grade, forced to leave school and work to support the family and particularly to allow the family to raise enough money to send her younger brothers to school - because they were boys and education was wasted on girls. Ouch.

She died 25 years ago, when I was 25, and I've spent a bit of the last several decades wishing I could take back some of the things I said as a teenager. We were on extremely close terms when she died, but that doesn't mean I don't wish I could unsay some of those things.

Your mother must have been a very strong woman.
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It has something to do with a distorted view of the world. When I was a Christian, I felt persecuted also and I am trying to figure out why.



I, like many Christians, was told that a person was either with Christ or against him. Some Christians tend to see a great spiritual battle being played out on earth between God and Satan. That can make everything look much more dramatic and epic then it really is. Plus preachers often tell their congregation that the world hates them for their believes.

I just skimmed this man's article looking for a certain bible verse that talks about the world hating Christians but I have heard similar sentiments in some sermons.

http://www.worldchallenge.org/en/node/1097

The closer we get to the mission of Christ — to preaching the gospel that he has ordained — the more we will be hated and despised by the world.
We’re going to find enemies everywhere — people who oppose us on our job, in our neighborhood, even in some churches — because we’re fulfilling Christ’s mission


Just think how such thinking, expecting persecution because you follow your faith, must color a person's outlook.
 
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Before it gets too late, maybe it is time to ask those questions and their viewpoints about religion in general. Also find out why your grandmother blew her top and what was her deep hatred toward the church itself. Something HAD to happen. I certainly HOPE she was not molested by those so called priests!

It wasn't our grandmother. It was our mother who blew her top at the school board.

Our grandmother was from Austria. She was imprisioned in concentration camp. Our grandmother never spoke of what happened to her, what religion, race, or political party she was that caused her to be imprisioned. She was a teenager back then. The only thing that remained from those times for her was the tattoo on her arm. She wore long sleeves to cover it. I did ask her once, as well as my aunt, uncle, and mother. She refused to speak of it. What ever she was she took it to her grave.

Now our mother, was born and raised in Morocco. Her experiences were quite different than our grandmothers. She also refused to say what exactly happened to her. Morocco is an interesting country, and beautiful. What ever happened to her was dealt with swiftly, we do know that.

We have asked over the years, but when someone refuses to talk, you can't force them. We have a general idea what their beliefs are. Despite whatever things they have been thru, they respect others beliefs. The rest of the family can only respect the fact that they don't want to share theirs.

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A lot of prisoners in concentration camps were also victims of "not being part of German or Aryan culture." Many Poles, Slavs and Hungarians were put in concentration camps as well as Gypsies.

My great-grandmother was a Rom Gypsy from the Ukraine and came over during WWI with her younger sister. She was known as "that heathen woman" in the Catholic Polish community of Detroit/Hamtramck, also became an actress (another no-no for respectable women). She lived to be 100 years old, drank cheap whiskey, smoked cigars, swore in 7 languages. We always joked that she lived so long because she obviously wasn't going to Heaven and the Devil didn't want to put up with her.

Great-grandfather in another branch of the family came to the US from German-held Poland in the early 1900s during the Kulturkampf. This may sound horrible, but I'm glad he died before DH and I got married. DH is German--uber-Deutsch.

One of my college friends said something once that I thought was very relevant to this thread: Just because you've found Jesus doesn't mean you have to share Him with everyone!
 
My husbands grandparents escaped Austria in 1939 with his infant mother. His ten year old aunt had been sent to England for her own safety.

When they arrived in America, some officials tried to talk them into giving up their infant daughter. I suppose the reason was that they were Jewish foreigners and their baby needed a more American set of parents.

My husband's mother, grandmother and oldest aunt did not talk about their experiences either.
 
Yeah, we have tried to find out her surname, if she has any living siblings. There is no record of her comming over to the US. We think she may have had a brother that survived. All I've been able to find is her fathers surname on her death certificate. It was Rose. We suspect she was either Jewish, or Gypsy. She did tell me of her life in Austria BEFORE the holocaust. They lived in the mountains, raised goats. All of us who have tried to trace backwards from what little information was provided on her death certificate, have hit the same dead ends. We can't find out how she got here. She didn't have a birth certificate.

Interestingly, I went to a jewish preschool/kindergarten. She did have some customs that were percieved as strange by others. She refused to ride in a car. She walked everywhere. There were some other things she did too.

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See this is what I don't get. If god created Lucifer/Satan, then why is he still around since he was a bad boy? Huh? This is the same god that told people to murder entire countries, demanded stonings and sacrifices.... yet he didn't do the same to an angel, and angel he supposedly created, he just cast him off and continues to fight with him. What is the war about really? If god is all powerful/all seeing, why doesn't he just make him disappear and use his death as an example of why not to cross him?

These are the kinds of questions that make people think I'm insane
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I believe that religions separate humanity by competing for attention and attendance to them. I believe the idea of God and spirituality is the reverse, to unify humanity, selfless and non flamboyant. Therefore the two seem contradictory to me. I embrace spirituality but no religion.
 
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See this is what I don't get. If god created Lucifer/Satan, then why is he still around since he was a bad boy? Huh? This is the same god that told people to murder entire countries, demanded stonings and sacrifices.... yet he didn't do the same to an angel, and angel he supposedly created, he just cast him off and continues to fight with him. What is the war about really? If god is all powerful/all seeing, why doesn't he just make him disappear and use his death as an example of why not to cross him?

These are the kinds of questions that make people think I'm insane
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No, its a valid question.

When I was a Christian I was told that God wanted people to love him but that if we absolutely knew he existed then we couldn't actually love him because real love involves free will. Because we would automatically love God due to his extreme benevolence and power, there could be no real love. So God hides himself from us and allows Satan to tempt us because he wants us to choose to love him.

Believe it or not, at the time that was comforting.
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It isn't any longer. That explanation makes God sound like a dysfunctional, ego centric parent

As parents we want our children to love us but it isn't necessary that they do. None of us will punish our adult children if they don't love us. We also don't send drug pushers to their bedrooms so that they can prove that they won't do drugs. Which is similar to the concept that Satan tempts us to do wrong.
 
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