Anyone non-religious here? Please be nice!

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It wasn't our grandmother. It was our mother who blew her top at the school board.

Our grandmother was from Austria. She was imprisioned in concentration camp. Our grandmother never spoke of what happened to her, what religion, race, or political party she was that caused her to be imprisioned. She was a teenager back then. The only thing that remained from those times for her was the tattoo on her arm. She wore long sleeves to cover it. I did ask her once, as well as my aunt, uncle, and mother. She refused to speak of it. What ever she was she took it to her grave.

Now our mother, was born and raised in Morocco. Her experiences were quite different than our grandmothers. She also refused to say what exactly happened to her. Morocco is an interesting country, and beautiful. What ever happened to her was dealt with swiftly, we do know that.

We have asked over the years, but when someone refuses to talk, you can't force them. We have a general idea what their beliefs are. Despite whatever things they have been thru, they respect others beliefs. The rest of the family can only respect the fact that they don't want to share theirs.

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A lot of prisoners in concentration camps were also victims of "not being part of German or Aryan culture." Many Poles, Slavs and Hungarians were put in concentration camps as well as Gypsies.

My great-grandmother was a Rom Gypsy from the Ukraine and came over during WWI with her younger sister. She was known as "that heathen woman" in the Catholic Polish community of Detroit/Hamtramck, also became an actress (another no-no for respectable women). She lived to be 100 years old, drank cheap whiskey, smoked cigars, swore in 7 languages. We always joked that she lived so long because she obviously wasn't going to Heaven and the Devil didn't want to put up with her.

Great-grandfather in another branch of the family came to the US from German-held Poland in the early 1900s during the Kulturkampf. This may sound horrible, but I'm glad he died before DH and I got married. DH is German--uber-Deutsch.

One of my college friends said something once that I thought was very relevant to this thread: Just because you've found Jesus doesn't mean you have to share Him with everyone!

Yup..my husbands grandmother (who is still with us) was in a concentration camp in Germany or Poland.. (i'll have to ask hubby which..i forget...because they are polish...but his mother was born in Germany.....) They had to fake her birth certificate so she could stay with her mother in the camp otherwise they would have split them up..
She still uses the fake birth date today..because it makes her younger...
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But..sad times..its made a big impact on who she is today..and she wont really talk much about it. (i dont blame her..
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See this is what I don't get. If god created Lucifer/Satan, then why is he still around since he was a bad boy? Huh? This is the same god that told people to murder entire countries, demanded stonings and sacrifices.... yet he didn't do the same to an angel, and angel he supposedly created, he just cast him off and continues to fight with him. What is the war about really? If god is all powerful/all seeing, why doesn't he just make him disappear and use his death as an example of why not to cross him?

These are the kinds of questions that make people think I'm insane
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and get me a lot of dirty looks
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If you REALLY want to tick off Christians, point out the many, many, many things in common that Christianity has with Zoroastrianism, the religion of ancient Persia: God of Light, God of Darkness, Son of the God of Light born on the Winter Solstice, demons, heavenly beings shown with circles of light about their heads ... truth is light, lies are darknes ... THEN point out that this religion is older than Christianity and that Jesus was influenced by the Persian Magi who were followers of this ancient religion.
 
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See this is what I don't get. If god created Lucifer/Satan, then why is he still around since he was a bad boy? Huh? This is the same god that told people to murder entire countries, demanded stonings and sacrifices.... yet he didn't do the same to an angel, and angel he supposedly created, he just cast him off and continues to fight with him. What is the war about really? If god is all powerful/all seeing, why doesn't he just make him disappear and use his death as an example of why not to cross him?

These are the kinds of questions that make people think I'm insane
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and get me a lot of dirty looks
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If you REALLY want to tick off Christians, point out the many, many, many things in common that Christianity has with Zoroastrianism, the religion of ancient Persia: God of Light, God of Darkness, Son of the God of Light born on the Winter Solstice, demons, heavenly beings shown with circles of light about their heads ... truth is light, lies are darknes ... THEN point out that this religion is older than Christianity and that Jesus was influenced by the Persian Magi who were followers of this ancient religion.

Hubby and I are nodding our heads on this one! We've ticked off quite a few with this little bit of information
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The point of this thread wasn't to tick off Christians. This is not an anti-Christian thread.

Thanks.
 
I was asked by the owner of the site, No Longer Quivering to write something for her site. If I can figure out how to tell my story, I probably will.

Have any of you been on that site?

It is not an antiChristian site. It is run by the mother of 10? children who left a movement called, Quiverful. She post articles by women who were once fundamentalists and walked away. She had read something I wrote about how submission had almost destroyed my marriage.
 
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I would like to know your story as well. You have shared glimpses here.
 
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It has something to do with a distorted view of the world. When I was a Christian, I felt persecuted also and I am trying to figure out why.



I, like many Christians, was told that a person was either with Christ or against him. Some Christians tend to see a great spiritual battle being played out on earth between God and Satan. That can make everything look much more dramatic and epic then it really is. Plus preachers often tell their congregation that the world hates them for their believes.

I just skimmed this man's article looking for a certain bible verse that talks about the world hating Christians but I have heard similar sentiments in some sermons.

http://www.worldchallenge.org/en/node/1097

The closer we get to the mission of Christ — to preaching the gospel that he has ordained — the more we will be hated and despised by the world.
We’re going to find enemies everywhere — people who oppose us on our job, in our neighborhood, even in some churches — because we’re fulfilling Christ’s mission


Just think how such thinking, expecting persecution because you follow your faith, must color a person's outlook.

I understand the doctrine since I was grew up in it and chose to return to the church as an adult for many years. I know we were taught to expect persecution but the church I attended taught us this was the way it was meant to be so we accepted we were different instead of trying to beat others into believing the way we did I don't see how this doctrine is an excuse for such horrid behavior!
 
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We need to reiterate this.

This is about those who are not religious, not anti religious. Bashing religions is not the spirit of this thread.

Redux, let me know if you need me to clean anything up.
 
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