Anyone Owning A Friesian Please Help Help Help!!!!PICTURES ADDED!!!!

[Equest94]

* double post* - sorry

 

[Equest94]

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Yeah, its the type and size of horse you think of when you hear the word warhorse

covered in armour carrying a Knight.

Some breeders are doing the same to the Canadian Horse breed, making it look like a TB, breeding out the feathers.
Others insist on keeping it to pony size, neither style is correct.

If they want a horse that looks like a TB buy a TB, if they want a pony that looks like a Canadian buy a Fell or Dales. Don't change the breed.

^^^ I completely agree with both of you!

 

[Wolf-Kim]

Didn't mean to start a riot, it's just I fell in love with the friesians because of the old style. I think friesian, I think big black war horse. They make me drool just thinking about it.

Maybe they should start two classes of friesian? I know in some other breeds they have classes within the breeds and while the same bloodlines they are sorted by physical features(height/weight/build).

I think all freisians are beautiful, but when I go and look at the breeder sites today I just don't see those horses I fell in love with. The same has happened with many of the quarter horses. I loved those box-built quarter horses with those big ol' head. It was the cowboy horse, today the TBs and QH are so crossbred you can hardly tell them apart anymore. I think it was a mistake on the registry to allow the breeds to intermingle and still register them as pure. I used to be a QH fan through and through and I have the hardest time finding QHs that I like because they've built them sleeker and taller. If they wanted to alter something they should have created a new breed using the old breeds as a base. You can have your appendix breds, but they are appendixs, not QHs. Does that make sense?

It would be the equivalent of me saying I want a sleeker rotty and breeding my rotty to a doberman and registering the pups as rotties. LOL There is nothing wrong with making different classes of the same breed, but keep them seperate and don't replace the original breeds with the new classes.

I hope to one day be the proud owner and breeder of those fabulous old draft-style friesians. I know the sporty ones have their place, I just don't want the old style to fade into history. I know it's becoming harder and harder to find those old boxy QHs and it kills me.

Okay, I think I got the last of the rant out of my system.

Us animal people and our animals.

You're filly is gorgeous and I hope everything pans out with the bloodwork and all.

 

[patandchickens]

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I'm not sure whether splitting the registry is really necessary for that, is it? Certainly other breeds have different types being bred within them, successfully over time, without any separation of papers. People who want (say) drafty types breed to other drafty types, people who want light types breed to light types, the papers are identical but there still exist different "food groups" within the breed.

Actually Welsh ponies/cobs are the only breed I can think of offhand that does NOT do this, that actually papers sizes/styles differently. (Probably there are one or two other breeds that do that, just cannot name them at the moment). Whereas there are CERTAINLY very distinct types/lines coexisting within the AQHA, to put it very mildly, and to a lesser extent it's also true within TBs, Belgians, Apps, I could probably list more.

The main thing is whether there is a MARKET for a particular type. At the moment, although one person here and one person there might prefer the WWII-style Friesian (and my understanding is that they were bred *heavier* during that period than they'd been before, that being the "meat horse period" alluded to by the dressage judge I quoted), if there are not a LOT of buyers like that out there, the horses are not going to sell and thus not going to be bred, no matter whether their papers say just "Friesian" or "Sec B Friesian" or whatever you would call it. And right now I am not sure how strong a market there is for one more breed of big heavy draft, among all the others currently available (and themselves having population and market problems, frankly)...

Pat

 

[Wolf-Kim]

I guess you right. I just get aggravated because many times the animals I fall in love with are hard to find once I can afford them. LOL

But when there becomes such an extreme different, they should split in my opinion. I guess I would have to review the breed standards. I just know that sometimes many breeds get on a "fling" and instead of breeding back to the standard, they change the standard to accomodate the new style.

You see it happen often with chickens. Take the dual purpose breeds for instance. How many do you know that are true dual purpose back to there original intent? Many dual purpose have been bred to accomodate the want for more egglaying and have neglected the meat purpose.

I have a friend who breeds RIRs back to the standard and his look so different than your average RIR. They are huge compared to your normal RIR, because he's breeding for the standard weight and they are a very very dark red. Where many RIR's of today are almost a golden red, his are almost a blackish brownish red. They've done the same with leghorns. You have production leghorns and exhibition leghorns, different physical statures but safe breed. That's all I'm saying I suppose. "I'd hate for the exhibition leghorns to dissapear because people want the new and improved production leghorns; just as I'd hate to see the old warhorse dissapear into the new and improved sporthorse of today." Does that make sense?

 

[patandchickens]

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Oh, I totally 100% agree with you. (Well maybe 97% - there are some things I do not think necessarily *need* to be preserved, and I would not want anyone fifty years from now to be gettin' nostalgic for tiny-footed 1980-halter-type QHs...

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It's a marketing and market issue, though. What gets bred is what people buy. Sometimes (well ok, "a lot of times") the horse market, like probably every other kind of livestock or pet, gets stupidly distracted into extremist or counterproductive fads. Plus which, "new improved" always sells better than "same old thing as it used to be", unfortunately.

OTOH Friesians are *around* today in good numbers, which they would not be if they were not a Hair Breed Fad, and the ones I've known *do* seem to be good levelheaded fun horses... if they'd been maintained solely as a heavier draft, who knows that they might not be in the same state as a number of other now-threatened-with-extinction draft breeds, like the Suffolk Punch and so forth.

No such thing as a free lunch.

Pat

 

[BlackBart]

Rants are just as healthy as a good sneeze.

I think unofficially they recognize three body styles,
modern, baroque and traditional.
What the difference is between traditional and baroque is, I don't know.
My friend has two of those QH with little feet, don't know how they stand up in the wind they are top heavy.

Back to the original topic:

I think the Stud of this young woman's filly has placed very high in the Kuering. I am not sure of his pedigree but I think he has the stallion Mark in it.
I would be curious to see the mare's scores and her pedigree. A good Ster mare costs allot of money, allot.
I hope the DNA markers match up and all is well for this young woman I think she has been through enough.

Friesian foals go through a "Frankin Foal" stage where you look at them and think "Oh my god I bought that?!" but it takes awhile for them to come together, around four to five years and fully mature at about 7.
I look forward to see pictures of her as she matures.

 

[ninny]

I think we need some more pics of that pretty little filly!!!