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Hey Everyone! It might just be me, but does anyone else like to retain all the knowledge they can on a topic that interests them? Well Anyway, I created this thread for you to post any questions you have about genetics (I might not be able to answer them, but I love learning about that stuff), as well as for me to learn on that topic as I plan to do more breeding projects in the future. P.S. Post lots of pictures about your questionable chickens, I WANT TO SEE YOUR FLUFFBALLS! Thank You!
 
I deal with genetics as far as breeding show-quality silkies.

I've read places here and others that suggest there isn't in-breeding per se with chickens like there is with other animals, like dogs for instance. That said, it's suggested by some we can breed "siblings" and/or relatives up to five generations. I just can't do that though. I'm constantly bringing in new genes by purchasing hatching eggs from reputable breeders.

As far as genetics, I try to keep only those that have the traits I want. For instance, this little 3-month-old, as beautiful as she is, has a small amount of black feathers in her tail. That is merely a preference of appearance, with or without it, but I'm trying to get away from it. So, will even breed her to a sibling if one of those were purely buff with no bleeding. After that, I'd buy some hatching eggs from a breeder where I can see they have purely buffs without added colors.

She's in the house brooder right now as she wasn't feeling good yesterday but I think she's fine today.

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Man, I wish I knew how feather color works. I can track birds back multiple generations (ex: Friend is Silber and Derpy’s kid, Silber was a mix, likely from my first roo Buddy and the RIR Russel, so that means Friend is quarter RIR, quarter Plymouth, and half hatchery Production Red, if I’m correct about who his mother is, which I probably am because she is the only bird with orange feathers like him who was laying brown eggs when he was hatched)
But I don’t know how the color actually works. I just know “ if orange bird with barring, then mother was orange and father had barring.”

Edit: here’s my pretty boy
 

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If we are going deep, can someone tell me and perhaps send a couple reliable quick links on feathered leg inheritance and mixing of comb types? Looking to be able to tell who fathered who when I hatch eggs this spring/summer. I should have a good idea of who mom is as I keep track of their eggs.

I’ll be mixing single, pea and rose combs. One roo has feathered legs and a single comb (blue copper maran), the other has clean legs and a pea comb (blue based EE x BJG). Looking to improve egg color with these boys and would like to be able to weed out daughters who don’t have a pea comb that should have at least one colored layer parent, as I hear pea combs and the blue egg gene also go hand in hand when it comes to the usual EE/OE mixes.

I already know single and rose combs sorta go hand in hand in that rose combs are dominant while single is recessive. I haven’t done much reading on pea combs being mixed with other types.

Side notes on feather color. Is blue always BBS or are there different types of blue? I have a lot of blue based birds and a handful of white based ones.
This one is a bresse X blue copper maran, she has a less spotted sister and aunt who looks nearly identical. Is this considered splash? Mottled?
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This white/cream EE is the mother to the blue one. Pretty dad sure was a BJG. Both have pea combs. I also have a bantam EE who is about the same color, she has 2 blue daughters also fathered by the BJG. I expected all the BJG offspring to be black but surprise surprise, 5/7 are blue! Why? How? The 2/7 black ones where from a brown/grey EE hen. I really don’t get the finer details on feather color/pattern. I know EEs are a toss up with their mix of genes but I really thought extended black in the BJG would be dominant to nearly all other colors.
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Cool thread! Ive been reading up about genetics lately in a book I got from a book sale at my library: Storey's Guide to Poultry Raising i believe its called. It has a whole section about selection, breeding, and basic genetics.
I still cannot wrap my head around all the different genetic terms though lol.
 
If we are going deep, can someone tell me and perhaps send a couple reliable quick links on feathered leg inheritance and mixing of comb types? Looking to be able to tell who fathered who when I hatch eggs this spring/summer. I should have a good idea of who mom is as I keep track of their eggs.

I’ll be mixing single, pea and rose combs. One roo has feathered legs and a single comb (blue copper maran), the other has clean legs and a pea comb (blue based EE x BJG). Looking to improve egg color with these boys and would like to be able to weed out daughters who don’t have a pea comb that should have at least one colored layer parent, as I hear pea combs and the blue egg gene also go hand in hand when it comes to the usual EE/OE mixes.

I already know single and rose combs sorta go hand in hand in that rose combs are dominant while single is recessive. I haven’t done much reading on pea combs being mixed with other types.

Side notes on feather color. Is blue always BBS or are there different types of blue? I have a lot of blue based birds and a handful of white based ones.
This one is a bresse X blue copper maran, she has a less spotted sister and aunt who looks nearly identical. Is this considered splash? Mottled?
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This white/cream EE is the mother to the blue one. Pretty dad sure was a BJG. Both have pea combs. I also have a bantam EE who is about the same color, she has 2 blue daughters also fathered by the BJG. I expected all the BJG offspring to be black but surprise surprise, 5/7 are blue! Why? How? The 2/7 black ones where from a brown/grey EE hen. I really don’t get the finer details on feather color/pattern. I know EEs are a toss up with their mix of genes but I really thought extended black in the BJG would be dominant to nearly all other colors.
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So this is just my experience, but I have heard that feather foot genes are dominant, and each feather legged breed has at least three different genes that cause feathers on various parts of the leg and foot. I have hatched two mixed breeds with Brahma mothers, and I noticed they are less heavily feathered, but still have one or two small feathers that appear sporadically on the toes. So the feather leg mixes should be obvious, but also less defined and with less symmetrical leg feathers.
 
If we are going deep, can someone tell me and perhaps send a couple reliable quick links on feathered leg inheritance and mixing of comb types? Looking to be able to tell who fathered who when I hatch eggs this spring/summer. I should have a good idea of who mom is as I keep track of their eggs.

I’ll be mixing single, pea and rose combs. One roo has feathered legs and a single comb (blue copper maran), the other has clean legs and a pea comb (blue based EE x BJG). Looking to improve egg color with these boys and would like to be able to weed out daughters who don’t have a pea comb that should have at least one colored layer parent, as I hear pea combs and the blue egg gene also go hand in hand when it comes to the usual EE/OE mixes.

I already know single and rose combs sorta go hand in hand in that rose combs are dominant while single is recessive. I haven’t done much reading on pea combs being mixed with other types.

Side notes on feather color. Is blue always BBS or are there different types of blue? I have a lot of blue based birds and a handful of white based ones.
This one is a bresse X blue copper maran, she has a less spotted sister and aunt who looks nearly identical. Is this considered splash? Mottled?
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This white/cream EE is the mother to the blue one. Pretty dad sure was a BJG. Both have pea combs. I also have a bantam EE who is about the same color, she has 2 blue daughters also fathered by the BJG. I expected all the BJG offspring to be black but surprise surprise, 5/7 are blue! Why? How? The 2/7 black ones where from a brown/grey EE hen. I really don’t get the finer details on feather color/pattern. I know EEs are a toss up with their mix of genes but I really thought extended black in the BJG would be dominant to nearly all other colors.
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Mixing Pea Comb with Rose Comb produces Walnut Combs of various shapes, & sizes.
 
This one is a bresse X blue copper maran, she has a less spotted sister and aunt who looks nearly identical. Is this considered splash? Mottled?
I have some guesses, if the Bresse is dominant white then this Bresse x Blue Copper Marans basically makes a paint feather pattern or Ermine / Erminette whatever term you want it to go by. This would be from having 1 copy of dominant white and then blue underneath poking pigment holes through the white. So neither splash nor mottled.
 
If we are going deep, can someone tell me and perhaps send a couple reliable quick links on feathered leg inheritance and mixing of comb types?
Feathered legs are more-or-less dominant. There are several genes that can cause them. In general, a chick with feathered legs will come from a parent with feathered legs. Tiny feather stubs can happen even from birds with two clean-legged parents. Unhelpfully, there is not a sharp division between "feathered" and "clean" legs, more a spectrum ranging from heavy feathering through light feathering to tiny stubs and then clean legs.

I’ll be mixing single, pea and rose combs.
Rose comb is dominant over single comb. Rose is completely dominant, so you generally cannot tell whether a chicken has one rose comb gene or two rose comb genes when you are looking at the chicken.

Pea is dominant over single. Pea comb is incompletely dominant. Two pea comb genes will generally make a comb that is smaller than one pea comb gene. The smaller pea comb usually goes with smaller wattles too. Of course there can be confusing in-between sizes where you cannot decide which group to put it in.

Pea and rose comb are caused by different genes, so it is possible for a chicken to have both the pea comb and rose comb genes. If you read genetics textbooks, that is called a walnut comb. If you read breed standards, it could be called a walnut comb, a strawberry comb, a cushion comb, and maybe a few other things. If a chicken with a walnut comb has two pea comb genes, the comb and wattles are generally smaller than if the chicken has only one pea comb gene.

For trying to sort them out as chicks or adults, I end up mostly paying attention to how wide the comb is. A single comb is skinny. A rose comb or walnut comb is wide. A pea comb is in between. (Yes, of course that means I can mistake a pea comb either direction.) As they get bigger, a single comb generally has points on top and a pea comb mostly does not. It can have three rows of rounded "pea" shapes, or it can be a smooth little blob, or it can stand up almost like a single comb but without the points. Or maybe a few other variations--after you see a bunch of them, it starts to be kinda obvious, but there will still be a few that leave you unsure.

I hear pea combs and the blue egg gene also go hand in hand when it comes to the usual EE/OE mixes.
Generally yes.

The pea comb and the blue egg gene are definitely linked, so they get inherited together. They can be linked in any combination:
pea comb/blue egg (Ameraucana)
pea comb/not-blue egg (Brahma)
not-pea comb/blue egg (Cream Legbar)
not-pea comb/not-blue egg (All white-egg and brown-egg breeds that have single or rose combs)

Side notes on feather color. Is blue always BBS or are there different types of blue?
There is the blue gene, also called "Andalusian Blue." That is the one that makes black/blue/splash. It turns all black on the chicken into blue or splash. It has little or no effect on red/gold colors (including most shades of brown). This gene is incompletely dominant: one blue gene turns black into blue, two blue genes turn black into splash. No blue genes means the black can still be black.

There is also the lavender gene. It is a recessive gene. It turns black into a shade of gray, and it turns red/gold colors into a light cream or yellow color. Lavender is sometimes called "self blue," which gets confusing.

This one is a bresse X blue copper maran, she has a less spotted sister and aunt who looks nearly identical. Is this considered splash? Mottled?
She probably has the gene Dominant White. It turns black into white, but sometimes misses a few bits. A chicken with two Dominant White genes will have fewer or no black bits. This gene affects black but has little or no effect on red/gold shades.

A chicken that is white with bits of black showing like that, caused by Dominant White on an otherwise black chicken, is often called Paint.

This white/cream EE is the mother to the blue one. Pretty dad sure was a BJG. Both have pea combs. I also have a bantam EE who is about the same color, she has 2 blue daughters also fathered by the BJG. I expected all the BJG offspring to be black but surprise surprise, 5/7 are blue! Why? How?
Two possible explanations.

One, could the Jersey Giant be a dark blue instead of black? If yes, he would give about a 50/50 split of black chicks and blue chicks.

Two, if the Jersey Giant really is black, then the blue chicks must have had a mother with the blue gene. If you didn't see any blue on the mothers, they could have been showing splash (often looks much like white if the chicken has it in a pattern with other colors). Or they could have been showing dominant white, which can hide blue by turning it to white. Any chick that inherits blue but not dominant white will show blue rather than black.

The 2/7 black ones where from a brown/grey EE hen. I really don’t get the finer details on feather color/pattern. I know EEs are a toss up with their mix of genes but I really thought extended black in the BJG would be dominant to nearly all other colors.
It looks like the extended black was dominant, as you expected, but then the blue gene turned all that black into blue.
 
Feathered legs are more-or-less dominant. There are several genes that can cause them. In general, a chick with feathered legs will come from a parent with feathered legs. Tiny feather stubs can happen even from birds with two clean-legged parents. Unhelpfully, there is not a sharp division between "feathered" and "clean" legs, more a spectrum ranging from heavy feathering through light feathering to tiny stubs and then clean legs.


Rose comb is dominant over single comb. Rose is completely dominant, so you generally cannot tell whether a chicken has one rose comb gene or two rose comb genes when you are looking at the chicken.

Pea is dominant over single. Pea comb is incompletely dominant. Two pea comb genes will generally make a comb that is smaller than one pea comb gene. The smaller pea comb usually goes with smaller wattles too. Of course there can be confusing in-between sizes where you cannot decide which group to put it in.

Pea and rose comb are caused by different genes, so it is possible for a chicken to have both the pea comb and rose comb genes. If you read genetics textbooks, that is called a walnut comb. If you read breed standards, it could be called a walnut comb, a strawberry comb, a cushion comb, and maybe a few other things. If a chicken with a walnut comb has two pea comb genes, the comb and wattles are generally smaller than if the chicken has only one pea comb gene.

For trying to sort them out as chicks or adults, I end up mostly paying attention to how wide the comb is. A single comb is skinny. A rose comb or walnut comb is wide. A pea comb is in between. (Yes, of course that means I can mistake a pea comb either direction.) As they get bigger, a single comb generally has points on top and a pea comb mostly does not. It can have three rows of rounded "pea" shapes, or it can be a smooth little blob, or it can stand up almost like a single comb but without the points. Or maybe a few other variations--after you see a bunch of them, it starts to be kinda obvious, but there will still be a few that leave you unsure.


Generally yes.

The pea comb and the blue egg gene are definitely linked, so they get inherited together. They can be linked in any combination:
pea comb/blue egg (Ameraucana)
pea comb/not-blue egg (Brahma)
not-pea comb/blue egg (Cream Legbar)
not-pea comb/not-blue egg (All white-egg and brown-egg breeds that have single or rose combs)


There is the blue gene, also called "Andalusian Blue." That is the one that makes black/blue/splash. It turns all black on the chicken into blue or splash. It has little or no effect on red/gold colors (including most shades of brown). This gene is incompletely dominant: one blue gene turns black into blue, two blue genes turn black into splash. No blue genes means the black can still be black.

There is also the lavender gene. It is a recessive gene. It turns black into a shade of gray, and it turns red/gold colors into a light cream or yellow color. Lavender is sometimes called "self blue," which gets confusing.


She probably has the gene Dominant White. It turns black into white, but sometimes misses a few bits. A chicken with two Dominant White genes will have fewer or no black bits. This gene affects black but has little or no effect on red/gold shades.

A chicken that is white with bits of black showing like that, caused by Dominant White on an otherwise black chicken, is often called Paint.


Two possible explanations.

One, could the Jersey Giant be a dark blue instead of black? If yes, he would give about a 50/50 split of black chicks and blue chicks.

Two, if the Jersey Giant really is black, then the blue chicks must have had a mother with the blue gene. If you didn't see any blue on the mothers, they could have been showing splash (often looks much like white if the chicken has it in a pattern with other colors). Or they could have been showing dominant white, which can hide blue by turning it to white. Any chick that inherits blue but not dominant white will show blue rather than black.


It looks like the extended black was dominant, as you expected, but then the blue gene turned all that black into blue.
I've had clean legged birds produce birds with some stubble on the legs, which I find weird. Usually molts out, sometimes it doesn't.
 

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