Approved & not Approved Pesticides

[casportpony]

That's my impression too. I just spent some time on the FARAD site, and feel the need to make some phone calls tomorrow.
Mary

If this is true, the same would be true for all food animals, not just chickens. Let us know what you find out.

 

[Folly's place]

It's totally true, and I agree with Lady McC that following the rules is the safest option. Drug withdrawal times for meat are clear; what nobody wants to consider is that eggs are not meat!
This is one very important reason why keeping a closed flock and being careful about biosecurity is so important! Healthy flocks have very limited need for meds!
This is also why, if we want changes, we need to find a way to fund research directed at small flock issues, and meds for treating injured birds, as an example.
And/or, we eat treated birds and their eggs at home and don't offer them to anyone else.
Mary

 

[casportpony]

So you both are now saying that "extra label drug use" is prohibited in food animals by the FDA?

 

[Lady of McCamley]

Technically, yes.

For the small flock owner, it boils down to personal risk comfort.

Some prefer to remain within FDA rules due to their risk factors (such as sale at farmers markets), some follow Farad withdrawal suggestions for backyard flocks (casual sales and shares), and some feel totally comfortable using what the want when they want (family use and share to friends).

It is becoming more of a moot point as more drugs are removed from feed store shelves in response to FDA rulings.

I am of the camp that knowledge is power. Know your risk. Know the law. Then you can make the decision of treatment that is right for your flock.

LofMc

 

[casportpony]

Okay, we'll according to the FDA, extra label drug use in food animals *is* allowed as long as the prescribing veterinarian follows a set of rules.

 

[Lady of McCamley]

Okay, we'll according to the FDA, extra label drug use in food animals *is* allowed as long as the prescribing veterinarian follows a set of rules.

Could you cite the source on that?

There is a difference between allowed to treat for the animal's health and allowance in the food chain after treatment.

To my understanding, and reading of the FARAD literature, the vet rules mean that they can treat the animal, but they have to inform the client that the animal can no longer be used for human consumption beyond the family's use. (That's my personal experience as well).

LofMc

 

[casportpony]

https://www.fda.gov/AnimalVeterinar...nforcement/ActsRulesRegulations/ucm085377.htm
https://www.fda.gov/AnimalVeterinary/ResourcesforYou/ucm380135.htm

 

[casportpony]

To my understanding, and reading of the FARAD literature, the vet rules mean that they can treat the animal, but they have to inform the client that the animal can no longer be used for human consumption beyond the family's use. (That's my personal experience as well).

LofMc

Where does it say that?

 

[SilkiesInSuburb]

Thanks for this list! I'm super relieved that I'm using an approved mite powder.

 

[Lady of McCamley]

Here it is in the limitations....

https://www.accessdata.fda.gov/scripts/cdrh/cfdocs/cfcfr/CFRSearch.cfm?fr=530.11

Extra label is allowed except for these limitations, and one being:
(c) Extralabel use resulting in any residue which may present a risk to the public health; and

Which would apply to food producing aimals. The FARAD stands...allowed except for those drug which have not had residue levels set...which forgoes all egg bearing hens for human consumption.