Araucana thread anyone?

[Illia]

I really could use some help sexing my pullets and cockerels. I have put my guess below. Can you let me know your thoughts.

1. My thought is gold duckwing pullet no tufts



2. Mostly white double tufted Cockerel?


3. Gold duckwing pullet no tufts again


4. Blue double tufted cockerel



5. Clean faced Cuckoo Cockerel? I thought it was a hen but three rows? But then again I do not see saddle feathers



6. Double tufted black pullet. This one seems the easiest to me

Silver duckwing pullets, not gold. Splash cockerel, not white. Leaky blue cockerel, will grow to have "golden" leakage of white and yellow possibly red.

Otherwise, yep.

On clean faced producing tufts - I heard of internal tufts on and off from people, I believe Lanae is one of them, I just never saw it happen til now. It's neat, really, but at times is hard to explain to someone who doesn't understand genetics in the first place, because it without explaining the internal part, defies the definition of a dominant gene. So then ya gotta explain the internal part, then it just sounds like you don't know what you're talking about. Or maybe I just spend too much time lately with people who don't understand genetics.

 

[shanshan51]

Silver duckwing pullets, not gold. Splash cockerel, not white. Leaky blue cockerel, will grow to have "golden" leakage of white and yellow possibly red.

Otherwise, yep.

On clean faced producing tufts - I heard of internal tufts on and off from people, I believe Lanae is one of them, I just never saw it happen til now. It's neat, really, but at times is hard to explain to someone who doesn't understand genetics in the first place, because it without explaining the internal part, defies the definition of a dominant gene. So then ya gotta explain the internal part, then it just sounds like you don't know what you're talking about. Or maybe I just spend too much time lately with people who don't understand genetics.

I am pretty sad about the "splash cockerel" as he was solid white until the last two weeks he got two or three little dark spots. I really wanted to show him as an all white double tufted bird. But.....I am going to keep him and trying to breed for white and black chicks going forward. I really wanted to do BBR but having a hard time finding those.

 

[cashdl]

I think it comes down to terms. Internal tufts may not be the correct wording. All cases I have heard of true internal tufts causes death because the tufts are growing interally. However invisible tufts may be better. I have a hen who looks cleanfaced, but if you pick her up and really look at her ears, she has 1 tiny feather
about 1/16 of an inch long and is not noticible unless you are holding her. I have to look at the roo I have always thought was cleanfaced and I may see something similar, since I am getting very tufted chicks from him and my blue egger gals.

I think that the statement of fact that " you cant get tufted birds from cleanfaced birds" should still be considered fact. If a bird appears to be cleanfaced even if you are getting tufted chicks from it, it should be sold as cleanfaced otherwise you could be promoting the idea to some ill-informed people, that a cleanfaced bird carries the tufting gene and will pass it on. I see alot of people advertising that there birds carry the tufting gene even though they don't have tufts. My feeling is if you look close enough at a bird that has the tufting gene there is most likely some expression of it. Even internal tufting can have visible signs, such as difficulty eating, swallowing, or scratching at the face.

Lanae

 

[Illia]

If I ever find true proof any of my duckwings carry Wheaten I'd be glad to offer eggs from any pure Wheatens or half Wheaten breedings for a short while to people in need. I know finding pure breeding stock or even show stock is actually pretty rare, hence why in the beginning I thought it didn't exist in Araucanas. One of my gold duckwing pullets for a while started to express a slightly pale breast and had me thinking she'd be a split, but, it was just a phase. She's full on duckwing and is filling in that spot with a burgundy color now.

(by Wheaten I mean BBR, sorry)

 

[MA Mama]

Just curious... What is the difference between a gold and silver duckwing? Could somebody post pics so we could all see a side by side comparison? That would be very helpful! I am new to the breed, as you can tell. I am trying to establish a little flock of these silver/gold duckwings and bbr/wheaten type birds, tufted or not. If you have extra eggs of these varieties i'd be very very interested! I've also seen something called blue buff that i would like to add to the mix. Any eggs out there?

 

[cashdl]

Here are the differences. It is a matter of shade varience visually.

Lanae

They are both duckwing, the question is actually wether they are silver or gold duckwing. Duckwings in araucana are based on wild type. They both appear to be silver duckwing to me although it is hard to tell with pictures. Although one persons silver is another persons gold.

Here are a few photos that will hopefully either show the difference or add to the confusion

Black Breasted Red female ( wild type)

Golden duckwing female

Silver Duckwing

There is not a huge difference between the silver duckwing and the gold duckwing. It is a shade difference. The standard for araucana call for

Gold Duckwing hens - Breast: rich salmon shading to steel gray at thighs, body and stern: steel grey, back: dark gray, wings: dark grey finely stippled with steel gray, the steel gray predominating with dark brown primaries

Silver Duckwing Hens - Breast: salmon shading to light ashy gray at thighs, Body and stern: light ashy gray, back : medium gray, wings: medium gray finely stippled with lt. ashy gray, light ashy gray predominating, primaries are black.

Notice the subtle differences.

Lanae

 

[cashdl]

In the duckwings the difference is easiest to tell once they are adults and it is, Darker breasted are golden duckwing and the pale breasts are silver duckwing. There are various modifiers that can affect this also.

Lanae

 

[cashdl]

This is a silver duckwing araucana hen


A golden duckwing hen



Notice the difference in the breast color and the brown in the golden duckwing hens wings and body. However it is important to note that this hen had an almost white breast untill her first molt so you cannot say for certain what color a bird is untill they are adults.

Lanae

 

[SherrieT]

This shows it beautifully. Thank you

This is a silver duckwing araucana hen


A golden duckwing hen



Notice the difference in the breast color and the brown in the golden duckwing hens wings and body. However it is important to note that this hen had an almost white breast untill her first molt so you cannot say for certain what color a bird is untill they are adults.

Lanae

 

[Illia]

edited, nevermind


Okay so I was thinking something apparently wrong, and, just now emberrassingly found out there actually is no wildtype duckwing female accepted in the Araucana colors, LF.

And here I thought there was. Well, there goes my whole duckwing plan. . . . For some reason I was thinking/hoping the golden duckwing female was a wildtype, but apparently not, it's just another form of silver.

Well anyway, technically those hens shown by Lanae are both silver duckwing, genetically.

edited again - This here genetically not Araucana SOP wise, is a gold duckwing, aka wildtype/BBR duckwing. This is the difference.