Araucana thread anyone?

[caj1985]

Oh no! I was planning on getting them from U of A! Do you know what breeds he has added? Did you go to the meetup on Saturday?

Yes to both. He is adding (hasn't happened yet) Large Fowl Buff Minorcas and Catalanas but said that the Catalanas won't be available for quite a while because the amount of eggs that he will start out with will be extremely limited due to the difficulty of acquiring decent stock. He said it would take a year or more to get the numbers of those up.

I really enjoyed the seminar Saturday.

 

[shanshan51]

Some of my recent girls have started laying so I thought I would share some photos here. I am very excited to turn the bators on in two weeks.

 

[greenhens]

I am enjoying seeing a lot of gorgeous birds here! My question is this: I'm gathering they are all used for breeding even though many do not appear to conform to APA color standards. Do you eventually get to the standard over several generations? Or do you need to begin with show quality breeding stock? Or am I just too "green" to know what I'm seeing?

 

[Puddin Fluff]

I am enjoying seeing a lot of gorgeous birds here! My question is this: I'm gathering they are all used for breeding even though many do not appear to conform to APA color standards. Do you eventually get to the standard over several generations? Or do you need to begin with show quality breeding stock? Or am I just too "green" to know what I'm seeing?

It is my understanding that you do not have to begin with show quality stock but the closer your first birds are to APA standards the shorter the trip, i.e. less generations before getting great birds. You can begin with show birds if you have the cash on hand. There are always people willing to sell at the right price. Even if you have two show quality parents, they won't throw 100% show quality birds. That is just the luck of genetics.

As far as color goes, some people just like to experiment to see what they can create, others work toward the standard. To each their own.

 

[smoothmule]

Everyone here is different. Some breed just for the "type" and not color. Some are backyard breeders who enjoy the mixed colors. Some are breeders who have standard colors, some have both. Some breeders start with the best they can find and breed only to the standard.

Myself, I started "looking" about 6 or 7 yrs ago. I tried everywhere, I even joined the Araucana club to no avail. No one would sell me an Araucana. I was beginning to feel it was personal, lol. But, I finally got my start, a rooster, a cockerel and a pullet. None of them the same color and none standard. It was past a year before my pullet laid her first egg but by then I had gotten lucky in finding a local breeder who was selling out because of health. He was a mess, really messed up the colors and didn't select well otherwise for breeding but I didn't care. I slowly developed my flock, buying young and older Araucana's, hatching eggs at times but not a whole lot of luck with them, and I am finally getting there with some quality Araucana's in both standard color (black) and other colors that I don't have hens and roosters that match correctly but very good otherwise. I may be able to pull a rabbit out of my hat this year with that pen and see some standard colors like Duckwing and BBR but we'll see. I also have a "project" pen to make chocolate Araucana's with the recessive/sex linked chocolate gene.

I always feel a smile coming on when I see someone mention questions about not breeding toward the standard. This breed is still rare and for that reason and other reasons, you "will" see non-standard Araucana's being bred to produce more standard type and colors and there are several reasons for this.

Number one, colors do get messed up and mixed up when there are more than one variety in a breed. That's not so hard to fix.

Number two, type is always something to breed towards and perfect.

Number three, Tufts and Rumpless....... these are the traits that set this breed apart from others. It's what initially draws interest and what confounds the other breeds breeders.

Rumpless isn't such an issue to me. It's a dominant gene and if they have a gene for it, they will be rumpless. It can vary and be bred to be better. Balance is the key and with such a small gene pool, culling all but fully rumpless could have bred them into extinction. There are a lot more breeders now and more Araucana's so I expect this issue to go away in a few more years but I am never opposed to using an otherwise "very good" tailed Araucana in the breeding pen. There are some that are homozygous rumpless but are heterozygous so they can still throw a few with tails, partial tails or a few stray tail feathers. With care, the tails can be bred out and there is an ongoing study of the rumpless gene and some of the breeders have contributed DNA to test for the gene. There is so much interest in it because of the connection to human issues. Rumpless is the standard but along with tufts, it can also have effects on breeding practice. Because the anatomy is sometimes difficult for natural breeding with a rumpless, trimming vent feathers is a common practice to increase fertile eggs.

Tufting issues will always remain debatable but in the end, breeders choose whether to breed tufted to tufted and know there will be some that die in the shell before hatching due to the lethal gene associated with homozygous tufting or breed clean faced to tufted. Some, like me, even breed clean faced to clean faced to improve type or color then add tufting later. In the end though, the standard of perfection cannot allow all these differences so the SOP is what it is. How we breed toward that has many paths, unlike most other poultry breeds who have more cookie cutter type and color.

I Love the challenge and while I do breed "toward" the SOP, I also use non standard Araucana's to get there.

I can't help but feel appreciation for the breeders who have worked to keep the breed from dying out. The recent discoveries in science has proven the significance in this breed going. Here is a link to some of what the Araucana has contributed.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3402462/?tool=pubmed

 

[Puddin Fluff]

Some of my recent girls have started laying so I thought I would share some photos here. I am very excited to turn the bators on in two weeks.

Pretty birds!

 

[Stacykins]

I am enjoying seeing a lot of gorgeous birds here! My question is this: I'm gathering they are all used for breeding even though many do not appear to conform to APA color standards. Do you eventually get to the standard over several generations? Or do you need to begin with show quality breeding stock? Or am I just too "green" to know what I'm seeing?

I think most people work up to it. This is my first year in which I hatched a single bird that matches standards. I've just been picking and keeping birds who best meet my goals of having a blue/black/splash flock of Araucanas. Of course, only the blacks are an APA accepted color, but I do love birds who are blue and splash, personally, and the genetics are easy to figure out for those colors, too.

 

[smoothmule]

I think most people work up to it. This is my first year in which I hatched a single bird that matches standards. I've just been picking and keeping birds who best meet my goals of having a blue/black/splash flock of Araucanas. Of course, only the blacks are an APA accepted color, but I do love birds who are blue and splash, personally, and the genetics are easy to figure out for those colors, too.

Stacy,
Way to go! Keep working on them Getting blues and black roosters with no red leakage is a challenge and you won't have any trouble selling them

 

[hennesseyt]

Quote: I'm glad to see that I'm not the only one that is having a rough start. There are some wonderful, generous people that i'm grateful to in the Araucana world, I'm just having stinking rotten luck lol. I'm a little discouraged at the moment thinking like maybe its not to be. Then I read this and see your beautiful birds . I realize that Im just very impatient and it would be a privilege to work with this beautiful bird. I knew this when I decided to raise this bird and thought it would be a good long range 4-H project for my family, but at some point I got carried away seeing pictures everyones beautiful flock and counting my chickens before they hatched (hehe). This must make you appreciate what you have so much more.

Beautiful birds Shannon! Im so happy for you!
Im also happy for you Stacy

 

[beausonge]

As far as color goes, some people just like to experiment to see what they can create, others work toward the standard.  To each their own.
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This past fall my welsummer pullet went broody and would not give it up. I took 3 easter egger eggs and put them under her. She hatched out two chicks - obviously one from each of my two older roosters. She took care of them until they were 4 weeks.

The one from the favorelle feathered out right away - was even flying up onto "Mom's" back at a week. I was sure it was a she because of the early feathering. "She" had five toes and when she was about six weeks she developed this bold spotting of red, white, black. At 10 weeks it was obvious she was a he as her comb turned red and he had definite hackle feathers developing.

The one from my Cochin feathered out super slow and stood like a rooster from the beginning. He had some light feathering on his legs and when his hackle feathers developed they were red with penciled edges.

It was really exciting to see what was produced with the combos. I found a good home for them with a family with kids that love animals. They had 12 pullets and wanted roosters to protect the flock.

As to my Araucanas, I want to pursue the wheaten color as that is what my Araucana roosters are supposed to be. I love their color and the fact that the color is not easy to see high up.



Vickie