Araucana thread anyone?

[MA Mama]

So helpful everyone! Does anyone have silver or gold duckwing eggs available? I'd buy just a few if thats all thats available!

 

[cashdl]

Actually you are wrong Illia,

Araucana duckwings are based on Wild type which is e+. Black Breasted Reds in Araucana are based on Wheaten in large fowl which is ewh. Wild type just has to do with the base color which is red jungle fowl. Wether they are silver or gold or bbr is the difference. Large fowl Araucana Black Breasted Red is based on wheaten and the females look like this:



A black Breasted Red based on wild type look like this:

The golden duckwing based on wild type look like this:


And the silver duckwing based on wild type look like this:


I have never seen a golden or silver duckwing based on wheaten.

I think the confusing part is that technically LF Araucana Black Breasted Red should be called wheatens and not Black Breasted Reds, same with the Cubalaya. These two breeds are the only two that are named and colored so. All other Black Breasted Reds are based on wild type.


Lanae

edited, nevermind


Okay so I was thinking something apparently wrong, and, just now emberrassingly found out there actually is no wildtype duckwing female accepted in the Araucana colors, LF.

And here I thought there was. Well, there goes my whole duckwing plan. . . . For some reason I was thinking/hoping the golden duckwing female was a wildtype, but apparently not, it's just another form of silver.

Well anyway, technically those hens shown by Lanae are both silver duckwing, genetically.

edited again - This here genetically not Araucana SOP wise, is a gold duckwing, aka wildtype/BBR duckwing. This is the difference.

 

[cashdl]

On Wild type I believe the differences between BBR, Golden, and silver are as follows.

BBR = two copies of gold
Golden = 1 copy of gold
Silver = 0 copies of gold


I have heard that if you base duckwing on wheaten it will clear up the hackles and saddle but I am not sure if that is true. Personally since the golden and silver duckwing are supposed to be based on wild type e+, we should all work wtih that and as far as the Black Breasted Red as state by the SOP we should all be trying to work with wheaten.

Lanae

 

[cashdl]

And also Illia,

Techinically only one of the hens I pictured is a silver duckwing the other is a golden almost BBR. Read your Standard of Perfection when it comes to the Araucana colors.

The golden is to have silvery grey neck, rich salmon breast, and dark grey body. The silver is to have a silvery grey neck, salmon (not rich salmon) breast and Medium gray body ( not dark grey body)

The Black breasted red color on wild type e+ (which is not the standard of perfection color)is to have a light golden neck, salmon breast and back grayish brown stippled with golden brown.

My duckwings fall into the silver and somewhere in between golden and bbr which could be the effects of columbian which makes the breast more orangy red. So technically I probably have golden duckwings with columbian and silver duckwings.

Lanae

 

[cashdl]

Now I am embarrased. I now know what you mean by silver duckwing. LOL! I didn't read the genetically part of your statement. Yes Genetically my girls are silver duckwing because only males can be golden duckwing, however Silver and golden duckwings are based on wild type in the araucana standard of perfection.


Lanae

edited, nevermind


Okay so I was thinking something apparently wrong, and, just now emberrassingly found out there actually is no wildtype duckwing female accepted in the Araucana colors, LF.

And here I thought there was. Well, there goes my whole duckwing plan. . . . For some reason I was thinking/hoping the golden duckwing female was a wildtype, but apparently not, it's just another form of silver.

Well anyway, technically those hens shown by Lanae are both silver duckwing, genetically.

edited again - This here genetically not Araucana SOP wise, is a gold duckwing, aka wildtype/BBR duckwing. This is the difference.

 

[cashdl]

Does anybody else now understand why there are so many black and white LF araucana at show but rarely a Black Breasted Red, Gold Duckwing or Silver Duckwing. And if there are any BBR, GD, or SD they are the roos shown. The hens are much more confusing and way to difficult to get right color wise.


Lanae

 

[Illia]

Because they're hard to meet up to the SOP. Honestly have any of yours or others you know of truly meet up to the SOP? None of mine ever have. BBR I can see happening, it isn't that hard, but the thing is - It's easier to obtain a nice solid black or white double tufted bird with good type than a BBR with good type, double tufts, and no leakage in the breast, thighs, or excess black in the hackle or saddle. Honestly the two big things I see time and time again are unwanted black (melanizer) in the hackle/saddle of males, and unwanted leakage in the breasts and thighs of males. As for females, again, big difficulty as you see all sorts of things popping up and it seems very few people breed for a good duckwing, even less so, a good BBR.

Yeah sorry Lanae but I think you've been reading my posts wrong. I know plenty of what wildtype, wheaten, BBR, and duckwing all genetically and show-wise are, and how each look even as a split (one allele duckwing, one allele wheaten) I don't know where you got the Wheaten about as I was talking about duckwings, not Wheaten, but mentioning the name BBR/wildtype as a duckwing thing not Wheaten, although in Araucanas BBR does refer to Wheaten. The name changes per breed, but either way, they are genetically Wheaten. (BBR) I was talking though about duckwings. e+

Just clearing things up

I read the SOP plenty except apparently not the golden duckwing female back and wing color part enough. Honestly I could swear it was referring to homozygous gold duckwing, not, umm, whatever it is. I actually haven't much a clue as to what they're trying to ask for, as I've never seen a bird with gold in the neck and gray in the back, as both traits are found on completely different birds. Gold for homozygous gold duckwings, gray for homozygous silver duckwings.

 

[cashdl]

I am not totally sure what they are asking for either because the difference between the two is a matter of shading. Its just one more thing that makes the araucana so much fun.

My confusion came from and I am still confused about your statement that there was no wild type accepted in araucana large fowl. The duckwings are wild type and the description is of silver duckwings based on wild type. Unless we are both saying the same thing.

Are you saying you hoped that the SOP for LF araucana duckwing was wild type, as in un-modified by silver?

I am saying that the SOP for LF duckwings is wild type modified by silver. LOL!

Some think that the BBR LF araucana should be wild type same as ABA standard of perfection. I prefer the wheaten based color but think it would be nice if they were called wheaten and then there was room for a BBR color based on wild type.

Lanae

 

[MA Mama]

Either which way, they are all beautiful!

 

[cashdl]

A long time breeder of araucana is wanting to get rid of his flock of bantams about 45 adults and 75) 3 to 4 week old chicks. They are blacks, whites, BBR, and golden duckwings. He has more hatching this weekend. He is in NC and price depends on if someone takes them all and wether they need to be shipped or not.

Let me know if anyone is interested.

Lanae