look guys, you are all correct but coming from different angles. i have american games that are strong, disease resistant and eye candy. but they dont lay great but this a darn good bird. i also have hatchery sumatras, and when my kids and i go feed them, they dont look at them and say - dang it, they are are hatchery birds! no, we just watch and enjoy them. that is enough for us and dont care if they are "standard" or not. And as long as we dont hatch them and sell them as sq birds, who is hurt by this? I am just as happy with my hatchery sumatras as my pure games, even though the game bird is a more quality bird