Pot - Kettle.then you'll be cooled off and out of your "I need to be right" childish additude.
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Pot - Kettle.then you'll be cooled off and out of your "I need to be right" childish additude.
That's about 3 years longer than they are actually kept in commercial operations.which is why the average lifespan is 5 for commercial chickens
I wasn't sure if that "5" was days, weeks, months, or years. (None sounded quite right to me!)That's about 3 years longer than they are actually kept in commercial operations.
Commercial growers’ primary concern is cost. Therefore, they will have done a thorough cost-benefit analysis of any thing they use in their flocks. Rice hulls and pine shavings are most commonly used in commercial settings because they are the cheapest. That does not necessarily mean that they are the healthiest for the chickens. If the degree in which these are cheaper than other, more safer, alternatives and that savings outweighs the cost of loss of chickens that they may experience, they will choose the pine shavings. So, for example, if they save $100 per 1000 chickens by using the pine and they only lose $75 worth of chickens per that 1000, they will choose to use the pine shavings because their net savings is still $25. Most people on this forum are more concerned with the health of their chickens than the cost benefit analysis of commercial farming. So it is entirely consistent that pine shavings are known and accepted to be bad for chickens AND commercial farmers still use them because they make the most economical sense.Pine is not toxic. The people who claim that are usually trying to sell you something different.
If pine were toxic it wouldn't be used by millions of commercial operations operating on tight margins where even a fractional percentage of loss or gain can make or break the entire business.
Eastern Red Cedar gives off strong fumes that can cause significant respiratory irritation. Western Cedar is less aromatic and thus less irritating -- probably OK for use in the run.
Walnut is probably OK for the chickens but the juglone that inhibits plant growth might not compost away sufficiently to allow using the chicken compost in your garden.
Other than that, wood chips are generally safe.
Commercial growers’ primary concern is cost. Therefore, they will have done a thorough cost-benefit analysis of any thing they use in their flocks. Rice hulls and pine shavings are most commonly used in commercial settings because they are the cheapest. That does not necessarily mean that they are the healthiest for the chickens. If the degree in which these are cheaper than other, more safer, alternatives and that savings outweighs the cost of loss of chickens that they may experience, they will choose the pine shavings. So, for example, if they save $100 per 1000 chickens by using the pine and they only lose $75 worth of chickens per that 1000, they will choose to use the pine shavings because their net savings is still $25. Most people on this forum are more concerned with the health of their chickens than the cost benefit analysis of commercial farming. So it is entirely consistent that pine shavings are known and accepted to be bad for chickens AND commercial farmers still use them because they make the most economical sense.
And? We are talking about chickens here.Million-dollar racehorses are bedded on pine.
And? We are talking about chickens here.
That is the only one I found also - last time this came up. https://www.backyardchickens.com/th...-have-conflicting-info.1536099/#post-25913125The scaremongering seems to be coming from this particular article: ...
The author seems to have an absolute loathing of pine to the point of paranoia. It is admitted that there have been zero studies about chickens and pine chips but the author goes ahead and uses other studies anyway and applies them to chickens. Seems like a storm in a teacup to me.
[the guru] acknowledges that she isn’t 100% sure the pine shavings caused the respiratory issues. She said nothing else had changed for her chickens besides the new pine bedding, so she couldn’t think of what else could be causing the respiratory problems"Within two days, I had three chickens with respiratory problems. They were breathing with difficulty, one was braying almost like a donkey and squeaking in between breaths… I immediately suspected that the shavings were the culprit.