Are Anconas just mottled Leghorns?

[The Moonshiner]

Ancona breeders and hatcheries and mottled Leghorn breeders and hatcheries all claim the two are separate breeds. I think @Overo Mare offers the perfect anology using amstaffs vs pbts. I.e. they claim to be separate, but most specimens of either dog breed wont meet the breed standard and so are often impossible to distinguish. Whatever the slight differences, they sure wear beautiful feather colors. (Anconas and mottled leghorns that is).

Most of the poll voters and posters here so far i recognize as followers of a certain very long, very informative, & very entertaining and funny thread i keep getting behind on reading. That thread originator voted here that they are separate breeds, & he himself has mottled leghorns. (Yes ok its true he keeps them hidden from the viewing pleasure of others except for when they first hatch). But still, breeders of Anconas, mottled Leghorns, Amstaffs and PBTs all claim their breeds are separate. And all have sops and breed standards to back their claims. So even though yes its difficult to tell them apart, i vote that Anconas and Leghorns (mottled or otherwise) are different breeds!

Informative post.
But now you have me curious and outraged.
Who is this person with the thread you speak of and what's with them not showing the birds?
I think we should start making some demands.

 

[Miami Leghorn]

Who is this person with the thread you speak of and what's with them not showing the birds?
I think we should start making some demands.

Here,here

 

[Allsfairinloveandbugs]

Informative post.
But now you have me curious and outraged.
Who is this person with the thread you speak of and what's with them not showing the birds?
I think we should start making some demands.

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Talk to @Overo Mare . I think she knows him pretty well..

 

[Miami Leghorn]

 

[Miami Leghorn]

 

[ChickenCanoe]

Leghorns and Anconas are separate breeds.
I can see where owners of one or the other can pass them off as the alternate.
Leghorns were developed in the city of Livorno and Anconas were developed in the city of Ancona, both in Italy.
It is likely that Anconas were developed from Leghorns.
Original leghorns were only white but most of the color varieties were developed in the UK after I believe they were imported from the US.
I've had white and black leghorns as well as anconas. They are different.

 

[Amer]

Well yes,Amstaffs are considered separate from APBT's,but if it weren't for APBT's Amstaffs wouldn't exist.
PERIOD.
Amstaff breeders went towards confirmation and APBT's stayed with keeping the gameness. Although I've seen someone tight gamebred APBT's that look amazing when in condition...
Anyways
So @Amer ... I'm trying to figure out what "point"was proven by baiting a rookie with pictures of Anconas and calling them Leghorns.
That I couldn't tell the difference?
Yeah you're right, I couldn't tell the difference. I took it for granted on your word that they were Leghorns.
If you look at the picture that I posted it looks like a generic Leghorn... unless I'm completely out of my mind and seeing somet3hing different, it's an Ancona but looks a hell of a lot like a Leghorn.

I'm here to learn,not to be f'd with.
And I apologize ahead of time if I have offended anyone; otherwise,moving right along...

Sorry dude. I was playing devil’s advocate. I think I believe they are the same (conformationwise) but since I said they weren’t I can’t say that. Sorry, the term “mottled Leghorn” injured my Ancona pride.
Can mottled Leghorns exist if mottled Anconas do?

 

[Amer]

So. A shower’s reflection made me realize I should have been nicer. It also brought me to a conclusion.
White and Partridge Chanteclers used to be different breeds from entirely different origination in entirely different parts of Canada. The white Chantecler was created first, the partridge second. When it was found that the two breeds were very similar, the partridge was bred to be Chanteclers as well.
Mottled Leghorns and Anconas are exactly the same (except for a tail sweep that is rarely ever done right.) So they must be the same breed (a breed needs at least three distinct differences from another to be considered a breed. (Yes, Rhode Island Whites should be a variety of RIR I’m sorry if I’ve offended anybody.)
However, they have different names, meaning they should be different breeds.
Or they could just be two names for the same thing. I.E.: Pekin vs. bantam Cochin.
So speaking from the perspective that they are distinctive I find that in my opinion they are the same. And that Miami is right.
However I will continue to be a gremlin and say “nice Ancona” whenever a mottled Leghorn is posted. Apologies in advance.

 

[The Moonshiner]

I get the debate but what I'm missing is are there even mottled leghorns? In the states?
I don't dig like Miami at the oversees birds but every time I hear of mottled leghorns they were mottled gold duckwing.
I know a pic or two was posted but are they really out there? If so where?
Also where do exchequer fit in? Most say they're mottled or they have the mottling gene so why didn't they get labeled as mottled?

 

[Amer]

http://eng.agraria.org/chicken/livorno.htm
Our Leghorn Standard is very similar to the Italian Leghorn “livorno” standard.
http://eng.agraria.org/chicken/ancona.htm
Italian Anconas seem to be identical, maybe less thin and upright? Interestingly, neither breed appears to have a rose-combed version there.