Are Ohio Beauties Extinct?

[IowaBlueCurt]

I'll be to Glenn's in November to help him set up his Iowa Blue breeding pens, I'll be sure to ask him about the Ohio Beauty while I'm there. I've also reached out to Christine at the SPPA to see if I can get a copy of that article you posted earlier. Thanks for the initial lead! I'll be fun to see where this goes......

 

[3riverschick]

I'll be to Glenn's in November to help him set up his Iowa Blue breeding pens, I'll be sure to ask him about the Ohio Beauty while I'm there. I've also reached out to Christine at the SPPA to see if I can get a copy of that article you posted earlier. Thanks for the initial lead! I'll be fun to see where this goes......

Wonderful news! Digging into history is so much fun!
Best,
Karen
Been digging into this Ohio Beauties Hatchery. From their ads it appears they are a U.S. R.O.P. breeding farm. Whatever that is. They sell no chicks to the public but have a folder which proclaims ( and will share with the public) which hatcheries carry their Barred Rocks which are "Ohio Beauties". I am not quite sure at this point if they are marketing barred Rocks as "Ohio Beauties" or whether they mean their Barred Rocks are beautiful poultry raised in Ohio. But all their ads link the term "Ohio Beauties" to the Barred Rocks they sell to hatcheries.

 

[IowaBlueCurt]

That's different........ I've learned that there are a lot of hatcheries that don't sell to the public and what they do have is sometimes very unique. Maybe the term "Ohio Beauties" is this hatchery's patent name for their particular strain of Barred Rocks, and has nothing to do with the real Ohio Beauty????

Like you, I love to dig for information on rare poultry breeds. I've been able to write a 64 page book on the Iowa Blue, it's history and characteristics, with an update to be rolled out next spring. When I got started with this project in january of this year, there was just two paragraphs of information on this breed. And these paragraphs were just rewritten and rewritten.......anyway, it's been a great journey and I've learned a lot through the process, not to mention all the amazing people I've met with and interviewed with their experiences!!!

Keep us posted on anything else you may come across. When Christine gets back to me with that article from the SPPA, I'll try to post the article on this thread........

 

[3riverschick]

Very impressive IowaBlue! I m currently working on obtaining a rare book on Sussex. Will see how it goes.
Huge Kudos to you on the book! That takes a lot of dedication and effort.
On a sadder note, Bob Blosl died today. The poultry world is sadder and darker today.

 

[jinks12333]

Its hard for me to do a bunch of research because Im only on my cell phone... But the moment i gain access to computer i search like crazy thanks everyone.... Im glad we are all looking more into this.... Im really curious to how they just dropped off the face of the earth?

 

[tadkerson]

Hutt published a paper and did some test crosses with the erminette. The erminette is an extended black chicken that carries one copy of the erminette gene. It works like dominant white but really exaggerated so you get the pied look. I do not know of anyone who sells a bird that carries the erminette gene. You would think it may be an allele to dominant white. Hutt did not do any crosses with dominant white birds or red birds to see if it was an allele to dominant white. The gene may be gone for ever or it could be found in some white fowl but you would not know it.

Pied rocks would be the close to what the birds looked like. A person would have to synthesize the variety.

The Ohio professor was correct; to get a bird with one erminette gene you would cross a purebred erminette with another black chicken to get the pied look. I imagine a purebred erminette would be white.

Tim

 

[3riverschick]

Hi Tim,
Found some more historical info on Eminettes.
Bantam Breeding and Genetics - Page 183
books.google.com/books?id=TRxBAAAAYAAJ
Fred P. Jeffrey - 1977 - ‎Snippet view - ‎More editions
Erminette There is no Erminette Bantam but one could be made from the large Erminette should an enterprising breeder decide to do so. Hutt (1964) established the genetic basis of this pattern: In typical Erminettes the plumage is variegated, ...
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The Poultry Monthly - Volume 22 - Page 133
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1900 - ‎Read
AN ERMINE WYANDOTTE.
BY GEO. H. BRACKENBURY.
I believe that it was Clarence J. Reddig, of Shippensburg, Pa., who originated a strain of Erminettes with rose combs, and I think it was he who gave them the name Erminette. A year or two later, certain, Massachusetts breeders were booming Single Comb "Erminettes" (?). There have been differences of opinion as to the comb an Erminette should wear ever since that time, and it is owing to this difference of opinion among the breeders of the Erminette, that they are not now in the Standard. I believe that those who favor the Single Comb, also favor feathers on the legs, but I am not certain as to this. Those who breed them with rose combs, prefer to breed them with clean legs. Were I to take them up, my preference would be those with rose combs and clean legs, and I would breed them as near to a Wyandotte type as I could, by the infusion of White Wyandotte blood. In fact, I would make an Ermine or Ermine Wyandotte. The Erminettes, as they were bred by Mr. Reddig, were quite near to a Wyandotte in type and it is a wonder to me why they were not given the name Ermine Wyandotte when first brought out.
I have known of several large flocks of Erminettes not more than two or three miles from my residence, and one in particular, about six miles away, that were of splendid Wyandotte type, and perfectly marked, with the purest of white ground color. I was so pleased with the appearance of his flock of ermine-colored fowls, that I turned my horse and drove in to see them. The owner was pleased to give me his method of breeding. He said he had bred them for several years, and liked them very much. He had originally bought the eggs of an Erminette breeder, and had bred them several years until he felt the need of new blood; not knowing where to secure new Erminette blood, he had introduced White Wyandotte blood through the male a few years previous, and bred on up to that time (about five or six years ago). By the infusion of the White Wyandotte blood, he had secured great
uniformity of combs (all rose combs), splendid Wyandotte type, and had, perhaps, lightened up tlie general appearance of their plumage; there were just enough dark feathers, dotted here and there among the white, to make their appearance most pleasing, and they came nearest to the real ermine color of any flock of Erminettes I have ever seen.
It seems a great pity that there is no fowl of this color in the Standard. I would suggest to those who are breeding these fowls with rose combs, that they introduce the White Wyandotte blood; in reality, makes an Ermine Wyandotte. The name would be most appropriate, and the birds as charming as any other variety of Wyandottes to the true fancier. I am sure there can be no one to object; perhaps I would better put that a little differently, and say that there ought not to be any one to object to a fowl having the ermine plumage and Wyandotte type. We have given the key, now will not some of our experimenters who are breeding Erminettes, produce a Wyandotte of the above description?
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American Poultry Advocate - Volume 26 - Page 129
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1917 - ‎Read - ‎More editions
Erminettes.
(D. VV. R., Ohio): Erminettes are the result of crossing the Spangled Game with the Light Brahma and White Cochin. At least those were the breeds used in the specimens first exhibited at Hartford, Connecticut, in 1872. They have cropped out from time to time in our exhibitions, sometimes being shown with smooth shanks, and sometimes with shanks feathered. They have never been satisfactory enough to secure them to become completely bred. Single comb, white mottled with black, and shanks feathered, was the character of those first offered for exhibition. There is nothing in them to recommend as being better than the old-fashioned Spangled Game fowls.
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S.P.P.A. Breeders Directory
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( Karen, this is a snippet, need the whole Directory for the rest of the story)
Society for Preservation of Poultry Antiquities - Snippet view - ‎More editions
A flock of fowl that retain the unique Erminette pattern has also come to SPPA attention.
While not genetically pure, the pattern is probably traceable to actual Erminettes
and the type is close enough to the original that simple selection will establish a
representative population.
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S.P.P.A. Bulletin - Volumes 5-11 - Page 5
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Society for Preservation of Poultry Antiquities - 2000 - ‎Snippet view - ‎More editions
What is the difference between Ermine and Erminettes? Ermine is another term for Light,
Light Grey or Columbian, all color patterns that designate a white chicken with black on the neck and tail.
Erminettes are white chickens with a scattering of black, or partially black, or small groups
of black feathers in the plumage."
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Bibliographic information
Title Poultry Topics and Western Poultry News, Volumes 11-15
Publisher State Journal Company, 1901
Original from Cornell University
Digitized Oct 6, 2009
" Erminettes are a cross between a small pair of fowls brought from the West Indies."
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Everybody's Poultry Magazine - Volume 31 - Page 52
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1926 - ‎Snippet view
" A pen of spotted Brahmas- a new breed- was on exhibition.
They have the markings of the old time Erminettes--though showing
less black."
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Fundamentals in Poultry Breeding: A Complete Guide to the ...
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John Henry Robinson - 1921 - ‎Read
Pages 42 and 43.
"At one time a breed called the Erminette was developed with the colors of the modern Ancona and Houdan
reversed (white with small black tips and flecks), which were not as regularly distributed as in good
specimens of Anconas and Houdans, yet presented some regularity."
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Principles and Practice of Poultry Culture - Page 602
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John Henry Robinson - 1912 - ‎Read
Page 520
"A variety called the Erminette, white with black spots in the plumage, the converse of the Houdan,
was at one time bred in America, and there may still be some in existence."
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Best,
Karen

 

[bstevenb]

Ohio Beauties seem to have been renamed per Mother Earth News:
In the eastern poultry industry, the Indian River, as this new breed was first called, became a popular purebred broiler and broiler cross when mated with the New Hampshire. The breed was also called the Ohio Beauty. With a final name change, the Delaware was recognized by the Standard of Perfection in 1952. Unfortunately, the Delaware’s popularity fell rapidly against the new hybrid cross, and exhibition breeders did not adopt the Delaware to any extent. Because the Delaware had not yet established a presence or name in home or farm flocks, it was even less secure than many of the older breeds.

Read more: http://www.motherearthnews.com/homesteading-and-livestock/delaware-chicken-heritage-poultry.aspx#ixzz2zqxjw4Y9

 

[jinks12333]

Ohio Beauties seem to have been renamed per Mother Earth News:
In the eastern poultry industry, the Indian River, as this new breed was first called, became a popular purebred broiler and broiler cross when mated with the New Hampshire. The breed was also called the Ohio Beauty. With a final name change, the Delaware was recognized by the Standard of Perfection in 1952. Unfortunately, the Delaware’s popularity fell rapidly against the new hybrid cross, and exhibition breeders did not adopt the Delaware to any extent. Because the Delaware had not yet established a presence or name in home or farm flocks, it was even less secure than many of the older breeds.


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you are awesome!!!!! My dad swore up and down my Delaware was what they called an Ohio Beauty... he was pleased to read that article... Thank you!!!

 

[Bamachickenman]

Hey guys, new to the forum...although been looking at posts for a long time. I visited an Amish friend this weekend that has a nice flock of the Ohio Beauties. I spoke with her about this "now" rare breed of chickens she has, and she told me that these chickens are off spring of what originally came from Ohio when her father and grandfather came to start the community there in Tennessee. My family and hers are great friends. We plan to go back there soon. She said to write her and she would save me the freshest eggs from the week to take home and hatch for myself. Pretty cool to find such a treasure. I've raised chickens for many years and have never seen any of these guys. They are White and Tall like a Leghorn, but have black specs on the tail feather, and yes they do lay medium dark brown eggs.