Are store-bought poultry (chicken and turkey) fed medicated chick feed

[Olive Hill]

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I think the point was it is a rediculous point to rebuttal.

The chicken tractors themselves were not even what the Agri-Women's group was rebutting....they were rebutting the ability to raise enough chickens that way to provide for the amount of chickens that we consume yearly.

Tractors are sometimes used to move large chicken tractors so I'm not sure what her point was.

Which is exactly why such rebuttals are entirely irrelevant. They miss the entire point. Which is that consumption must change.

And that's probably my biggest criticism of Food Inc. and their ilk. They aren't clear enough to those (a great majority of people) who cannot independently read between the lines. They need to come out and really stress the moral of the story -- which is that consumption must change, demand must be readjusted into the appropriate avenues in order to change the entire system.

As for the criticism about making money, what does that have to do with it? Would Tyson be in the chicken business if they weren't making money? Heck no!

 

[Buster52]

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Thank for the links. Very interesting perspective. I haven't finished it, but I will.

Although I find it wonderfully ironic that a rebuttal of the film's facts has Salatin running his broilers in his Eggmobile.

Rest assured, those of us in alternative agriculture know more about what the conventional ag folks are doing than the other way around. They certainly don't know why we do it, based on their assumptions.

 

[theOEGBman]

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If it's in a movie is must be fact right?

Oh Katy, I could just kiss ya right now.

The Ag industry needs more fighters like you my friend.

 

[Lazy J Farms Feed & Hay]

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If it's in a movie is must be fact right?

It is also in a good many books, journal articles, and industry practice guides. It might not be universal for all factory farms, but it is certainly established, accepted practice.

I have found Food Inc is a bit hyperbolic in places, but factually sound.

Believe what you want, but most livestock in commercial farms are not fed antibiotics continually. It is not prudent for the animal's health or economical. The current practice is to pulse dose antibiotics at stretic times during the production cycle to combat challenges in a flock or herd.

Of course there are excpeptions to this, no different that the injudiscious prescriptions of Amoxicillin for the common cold in humans.

Feed Grade and Water Soluble antibiotics are tools that livestock producers, both large and small, need to ensure the health of their livestock. Hopefully cooler heads will prevail in teh PAMPTA negotiations on the Hill.

Jim

 

[Buster52]

Lazy J Farms Feed & Hay :

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It is also in a good many books, journal articles, and industry practice guides. It might not be universal for all factory farms, but it is certainly established, accepted practice.

I have found Food Inc is a bit hyperbolic in places, but factually sound.

Believe what you want, but most livestock in commercial farms are not fed antibiotics continually. It is not prudent for the animal's health or economical. The current practice is to pulse dose antibiotics at stretic times during the production cycle to combat challenges in a flock or herd.​

Semantics. Not throughout their entire lives, but clearly and definitely routine application as opposed to applying only when sick. Established, accepted practice.

 

[PaulaJoAnne]

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I'm not sure what your point is? Chicken tractors big enough to house 75 chickens would indeed need to be towed by a tractor from spot to spot. They would be too large and heavy to move by hand.
what points do you find inaccurate?

No there not. Quite easy for one person to move, thank you very much

 

[Katy]

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I'm not sure what your point is? Chicken tractors big enough to house 75 chickens would indeed need to be towed by a tractor from spot to spot. They would be too large and heavy to move by hand.
what points do you find inaccurate?

No there not. Quite easy for one person to move, thank you very much

I saw a picture on here of one that someone had built...modeled after what Saladin uses. They must not have any predators because it didn't look like it would stop a determined coon or coyote. I think I'd prefer something more heavy duty.

 

[PaulaJoAnne]

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No there not. Quite easy for one person to move, thank you very much

I saw a picture on here of one that someone had built...modeled after what Saladin uses. They must not have any predators because it didn't look like it would stop a determined coon or coyote. I think I'd prefer something more heavy duty.

We have plenty of predators. It all in how its built. It can be strong, heavy and easy to move, all at the same time.
Best of all, those of us that use them, save a huge amount of time, because we never have to scoop poo.

 

[Buster52]

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No there not. Quite easy for one person to move, thank you very much

I saw a picture on here of one that someone had built...modeled after what Saladin uses. They must not have any predators because it didn't look like it would stop a determined coon or coyote. I think I'd prefer something more heavy duty.

Well, if they can make it through my electric fencing and 400 pounds of dog, plus the tractors, they are welcome to whatever they want.

 

[SkyWarrior]

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Thank you for stating this. People need to understand that cocciostats are indeed antibiotics because it kills or inhibits growth of protozoa. While I do use amprolium in my chicks, I understand the necessity. I didn't see Food, Inc., but I suspect that I would agree with some things in it and disagree with others. Likewise, I read the Women Farmers' rebuttal and I agreed with some points and disagreed with others.

My thoughts are that some practices are necessary given the amount of food our farmers' produce. That being said, I buy mostly organic due to the better taste and quality. It also makes me feel better, which isn't a quantifiable measurement.