Arizona Chickens

[LadyKotaDoria]

did you know metals are anti-bacterial. Copper, silver, steel and stainless are are among the best in killing bacteria. At one time family's, no matter how pure tried to have 1 silver coin, it was put in milk to keep it good longer. Using metals in plumbing and AC systems prevents legionnaire disease, and others. PVC dose not do this, I used a section of cooper in my mister system. I have no idea is it makes any difference in irrigation.

(I collect useless information)

Very good information about the metals. Did you also know that the only 2 metals used in plumbing today that get along are copper and brass? If you run a high volume of water through copper and a different metal is connected to it you will get a slow decomposing of one of the metals, usually the copper. Just something to add to your collection.

When we rebuilt the association ramada and bathrooms several years ago, the plumber put in some sort of non-metal flexible tubing.  Red line for hot water (not that the hot water heater is ever turned on) and blue for cold.  I don't recall the name of the material, but copper had a 1 year warranty whereas this stuff has 20 year warranty,

What about the anti-bacterial quality of cooper? The soil here is AZ eats metal tubing. It has to be coated with rubber or other materials, I think it is the lime or acid? Not sure? Have to look it up.

 

[City farm]

Wow, what a beautiful day here in Tempe!

 

[Mahonri]

Gorgeous day in Phoenix, with the exception of the wind... I could do without that. Takes leaves off of the trees and puts them in my pool...

 

[City farm]

I don't know if anybody answered the question I asked a few days ago. Are the eggs different if chickens never see the sun?

 

[Demosthine]

That's a really good question and AI don't know for sure. But from a common sense standpoint, I would say they would be lower in proper nutritional values. Without direct sunlight, the body does not make the proper levels of melatonin, which is the chemical that aides in sleeping. Abnormal levels of this have been shown to negatively impact other chemical productions in the body. One study in England a few years ago found that as the primary reason night shift workers were sick at a higher rate than day shift workers.

Likewise, the body uses sunlight to make Vitamin D, which is also a key element in the production of other chemicals and nutrients. If I remember right, natural sunlight was key to maintaining proper levels of Vitamin B, Vitamin B12 and Vitamin C.

I'll see if I can find the references tonight at work.

 

[LadyKotaDoria]

That's a really good question and AI don't know for sure. But from a common sense standpoint, I would say they would be lower in proper nutritional values. Without direct sunlight, the body does not make the proper levels of melatonin, which is the chemical that aides in sleeping. Abnormal levels of this have been shown to negatively impact other chemical productions in the body. One study in England a few years ago found that as the primary reason night shift workers were sick at a higher rate than day shift workers.

Likewise, the body uses sunlight to make Vitamin D, which is also a key element in the production of other chemicals and nutrients. If I remember right, natural sunlight was key to maintaining proper levels of Vitamin B, Vitamin B12 and Vitamin C.

I'll see if I can find the references tonight at work.

I have the same data. It stands to reason that for chickens it is the same. They use animals in experiments..... Our meat chickens never see light now, I think it is Tyson that has told their poultry providers to turn off the lights or lose Tyson contract???? When I was working over the road I was passed by a number of chicken trucks going to Tyson. Then came to a stop, an accident ahead. the truck of chickens in front of me....(looked at them for an hour or mor).. They were packed tight, and some looked dead, most sickly.
I have a question:
i know stress works the same on animals. They are sicker when stressed. If you have to protect your lunges from getting burned from ammonia when going into a coop? What of the chicken living into it? What dose the affect of no sunlight and high ammonia do to the bird? What dose it do to the health... Therefor the meat?


I have my fermented feed fermenting. As I understand it, I can add each time I take away, I do not need to wait for the new to formentation. Or do I need to have more then one container fermenting. Feeding from container A, then container B, the next day. Giving each batch time to formentat?..

 

[City farm]

I have to say I have noticed a difference in kent durring this cold week. Not as much crowing,
Da da dada daaa! As we say..

 

[maryhysong]

I have my fermented feed fermenting. As I understand it, I can add each time I take away, I do not need to wait for the new to formentation. Or do I need to have more then one container fermenting. Feeding from container A, then container B, the next day. Giving each batch time to formentat?..

I have to agree that the entire animal confinement method of raising meat is stressful to the animals and yes that ammonia is no good for anybody.

I just add more feed and water after dishing up each time. I use one bucket for layer feed and one bucket for chick feed. Both buckets have a strong vinegar smell, especially towards the bottom. In this cooler weather it doesn't smell as strong when I dish up so technically I suppose it isn't as strongly fermented as when the weather was warmer, but I think it's fine. If it gets to where it really doesn't seem to be fermenting then I'll move the buckets into the living room where it's warmer. Right now they are in the kitchen which is not heated. I think too it depends on how much of the bucket you are feeding out at once. I usually set mine up so that there is about one third of the feed left in the bucket after dishing up. If I got to where I needed more than that at a feeding I might go to two buckets.

 

[southerndesert]

Thanks all, I'll try to check in a...um...well...little more often

 

[Demosthine]

I have the same data. It stands to reason that for chickens it is the same. They use animals in experiments..... Our meat chickens never see light now, I think it is Tyson that has told their poultry providers to turn off the lights or lose Tyson contract???? When I was working over the road I was passed by a number of chicken trucks going to Tyson. Then came to a stop, an accident ahead. the truck of chickens in front of me....(looked at them for an hour or mor).. They were packed tight, and some looked dead, most sickly.
I have a question:
i know stress works the same on animals. They are sicker when stressed. If you have to protect your lunges from getting burned from ammonia when going into a coop? What of the chicken living into it? What dose the affect of no sunlight and high ammonia do to the bird? What dose it do to the health... Therefor the meat?


I have my fermented feed fermenting. As I understand it, I can add each time I take away, I do not need to wait for the new to formentation. Or do I need to have more then one container fermenting. Feeding from container A, then container B, the next day. Giving each batch time to formentat?..

Yes, the additional ammonia exposure is definitely bad for the chickens, just as it is for you. I believe it's been proven many times over that the inhumane, cruel, overcrowded conditions that the production animals is in has had a negative impact on their health and nutritional value. There is a certain legitimacy to PETA, however, they take it so far to the extreme that it makes them look foolish and most people tune them out. Them caused their own demise.

You do not need two buckets. Periodically, just add to the feed in the bucket. In mine, I add the feed when the bucket is drained. Then, when I put the bucket back in to the fluid, the force of all the water pushing through the holes mixes the new feed with the fermented feed. That way, you will always get some well fermented and some partially fermented feed. In the original thread, they said that the new feed was properly fermented in approximately 24 hours of adding it. It takes several days to a week to start the completely fresh fermentation batch, but once it's running, it's quick and simple.