Arizona Chickens

[mirasmom]

Not to be insensitive..... I don't know of any rooster that is quiet other than a dead one.

Or one that has been de-crowed. I know nothing about how they do this, but it seems like when someone gets a dogs bark altered.

I don't know how quiet they become or how much it costs. Seems extreme IMO.

HA, well ok that answers the question. I am not a fan of altering animals unless necisary so I would not be ok with de-crowing a bird.

I don't supose if I wanted chicks I could rent a roo or something?

 

[maryhysong]

Only if you don't give some to the chickens, don't know about guineas, ducks and geese want June bugs and other fat insects. As for meat, I never gave my geese and ducks any, but I would collect fat bugs.


Put me down for the Tuscon trip. Even if I do not get any turkeys, I may be looking at a couple chicks. I tegu re every 4 to 6 mo young blood.


just a reminder I have a young cockral that needs a home or the last day of his life is when he crows. I did not get a current picture today as I planed to. My mom collapsed, she is in the hospital and I am staying with her. Here is the last photo of him I posted earlier. He is a Marans.

Sorry to hear about your mom; hope everything turns out right. This boy does not look pure Marans; no Marans variety has yellow legs and all Marans should have legs that are feathered along the outside and all the way down the outside toe. What he does look like is perhaps a Cuckoo Marans crossed to some buff colored bird to work on a golden Cuckoo. But still should have feathered legs and not yellow

 

[LadyKotaDoria]

2 pics of Angle, taken today. He really needs a good home, I think he is going to be a handsome boy.

My mom is doing better this morning. I will be spending my time there for the next couple of days.

Not totally surprised as not being pure. There are clean legged and feather legged, be pending on which standards you are going by. The picture of the stock, when I ordered the eggs, had yellow clean legs.
Here is a couple of picks off the net of lemon Cockoo Marans

They have yellow legs, as of yet I do not think they are an official color variation. I suspect getting one to standard is very hard.

 

[LadyKotaDoria]

FOXS FOWL FARM: the Pit Bull/American Bull dogs were in the Early 1900's and 1800's was often referred to as the Nanny Dog. More popular blood sport was the Jack Russell, Dash hound, and other tarriers breeds that are Vernon hunters killing rats. Rats were collected, trapped, and bread for the sport. In a confined ring/pin a specific number of rats were placed, they would then set their Jack Russell to kill them, time it. The dog that could kill XXX number of rats the fastest was the champ. I do not know when dog fighting took off again. I say again, because its popularity varied.

Also the German Shepherd has about 100# +/- stronger bit then the pit bull. The Pit Bull can lock and hold his bit longer. Also Stg. Stubby was the first dog used in the Army in WWI. He was given a field promotion to Stg.

The American bull dog is a cattle dog used in herding. They are often butt nippers. They can be trained not to nip butts.

As for little dogs, you are 100% right. They even think its cute the snarling and snapping. I do not agree. Put 75# on that little dog........... There are breads that are just plan vicious, but not to the one person they are loyal too. They are obscure breeds, do not recall their name. They were breed to guard and never used as a pet in their native country, were bears are among the hazards. The dog looks like a cross between a Husky, German Shepard, Akita, and a little mastiff for good measure. That is the only dog I have ever heard of that is dangerous as it is to date, to my knowledge. I heard about it because someone was trying to save the breed from extinction. He was finding it more then he could handle, and again, I am not sure, but I believe he gave up on it because of the danger and unruly ness. It was a dog that was no longer needed as it was breed for a job. If anyone knows anything about this story please PM me. I have lost the breeds name and wish to know what happened.

DECROWING A ROOSTER: I looked into it. It is very invasive. The doctor has to go deep into the lungs. I do not know what they have to do, but there are spots in the wind pipe and past were it splits into the lung itself that vibrate to creat the crow. There is a video on YouTub of a de crowed Rooster.

 

[Arizona Son]

Also the German Shepherd has about 100# +/- stronger bit then the pit bull. The Pit Bull can lock and hold his bit longer.

Sorry to be "that guy", but this is completely untrue and is how myths get propagated, by passing on untrue or exaggerated information. I have over a decade of experience working with Police K-9's, personal protection dogs, guard dogs, prison dogs, DEA, US Customs, tracking dogs etc. I have also bred some working line German Shepherds for serious personal protection, and competed in both Schutzhund and French Ring Sport with my own dogs. I worked with over 10 different local law enforcement agencies when I lived back east. Lets just say I have plenty of experience working with dogs trained to do damage to humans. Yes, I went to school for this! Anywho, I feel reasonably qualified to step into this convo and interject a few cold facts.

The German Shepherd Dog (GSD) is pretty much the world-wide standard for almost every type of law enforcement work you could think of. Lately though, the Belgian Malinois breed are becoming popular in this type of work too, but I digress. The GSD is exceedingly intelligent and easily trainable, and puts out just enough bite force to grab and hold a suspect, without causing too much tissue damage on the combatant. There is a VERY GOOD REASON why Pit Bulls are not used in this line of work, as their bite force is ridiculously high compared to a GSD. Rottweilers also put down too much bite force to be used for serious Police work. Their bite would be too much of a legal liability for the department, as it would fall under Police brutality and/or cruel and unusual punishment scenarios. I personally witnessed a Rottweiler owned by US Customs, break both a suspect's forearm bones in an apprehension, and the dog was immediately retired after that.

Most of the "bully breeds" have a large broad skull framed and topped by enormous, exaggerated muscles that contribute to the clamping force their jaws are capable of. Notice the GSD's skull is much more narrow and framed by much smaller jaw muscles, indicative of the amount of force they are capable of. No dog can truly "lock" its jaws, this is a myth. They simply bite and hold on. A well trained police quality K9 GSD will immediately release its jaws when given the command by its handler. This reaction is bred for and encouraged. A dog that will not reliably let go when told to do so, is a liability for the police department and would never be used on the street, nor would it graduate the K9 Police academy.

There is a device called a dynamometer, that we used to measure the bite force of the dogs we trained. As I remember it, a GSD was around 540 lbs of force. A pit bull can easily put FIVE TIMES as much clamping force in its jaws! I have seen 3200 lbs of force register on the dyno, from a Bandog, which is a hybrid of Neapolitan Mastiff and Pit Bull Terrier. That much clamping force is impossible to dislodge, which is what (erroneously) led people to believe that certain dog breeds can lock their jaws.

When a dog clamps its jaws down on something it was chasing, where their "prey drive" has kicked in, at the moment they catch their quarry, their body releases endorphins into their bloodstream. This is their "reward" for the hard work of chasing and apprehending their prey. Once a pit bull has clamped down, good luck trying to get them to let go of whatever it is they are biting! There are special tools called "Break Sticks" that are known to pit bull people for the unsavory job of prying the dogs jaws apart once they've set their teeth into something. I am in no way disparaging the pit bull breed, I am simply stating well known facts. Also, Pit Bulls were bred for hundreds of years for dog aggression, so it became instinctual behavior for them. It is very difficult to know ahead of time, what may set the dog off. They are cool dogs, dont get me wrong, but they are still an animal that is not 100% predictable.

BTW, I currently own two Bully breeds. I could tell you some stories.....

 

[LadyKotaDoria]

Arizona Sun I stand corrected. I got my info off the Internet, I was surprised by the data, but thought, ok I was wrong as to the bit stringth. I know also the pit bull, do to bad breeding of today is easyer to go red line. The GSD is much more controllable.

I know of only 1 Pit Bull that contoled his bit 100%, my little Ernie challenged him, by biting him, he grabbed him at the middle. His owner, with out a sound picked him up with Ernie in his mouth, and made him release him. No puncture marks.... Not one. He did not want to let go, but his boss said drop it. So he did after a repeat. He usually minds instantly, Ernie did lose a tooth biting Harly, and no pucture wound we could find on him.
Ernie, did not learn, the next time people were around, he has a protective streak, if some one is in stress he will look for the source. We had told the Person not to scream around Harly, he will look for trouble. You just can't contol people that will not leason. HARLY came running, charged out of the kitchen, and Ernie was there ready to fight, also thinking protect. It was a tarrably 3 sec. Both of use know at the same time, it was made worse by even more screaming. Ernie had several deep wounds on his leg, survived. But we could not resk the two males to gather, not of the same pack, not at war eather. Every near fight was Ernie, Harly up till then never hurt Ernie, but egnor him, unless he bit first. God training, knowing that there is a master, makes every dog a better dog.

Every dog, some more then others enjoy life better when they know their place and do not have to be in charge. Not to say there is the total submissive bata dog, they have survive in homes of confusion, may not be happy, but they will not try to take over.

As for clamping down, I feel strongly that Harley was a combination of good breeding, loving home with his owner 24/7, and very good consistent training. There were triggers, if you choked up on his lead pulling him back, he would instantly go into what I called alert, code orange, ready for code red. A quick snap on the lead, a stay command, he would not move. When off leash he would walk semi-leaning against his masters leg, which we thought was interesting, but did not trust for control of him. He was very powerful, loving dog with excellent manners around people and other dogs. Later in life he was around few strange dogs. Being that we are not trained in dog training, we feared that not maintaining socialization may bring about potential disaster. If we are right I would enjoy conformation.

I know with Ernie, he will misbehave in public, if I do not go out. As you know he has to be better as a service dog, but when at a home, any home he become his usual stubborn self. He knows the difference, I know its my fault, taking all his question from me. As a guest in a home I am sure I give off an of duty signal to him. In public he is a doll 90% of the time. Rebels by going under a chair next to me, he knows he is to go under my chair, lay down and stay. If I tell him to sit in a spot he will set next to the spot. I do not let him get away with it.

Well back to chickens....

 

[maryhysong]

2 pics of Angle, taken today. He really needs a good home, I think he is going to be a handsome boy.

My mom is doing better this morning. I will be spending my time there for the next couple of days.

Not totally surprised as not being pure. There are clean legged and feather legged, be pending on which standards you are going by. The picture of the stock, when I ordered the eggs, had yellow clean legs.

Your boy is growing out to be very pretty; I hope someone claims him for their flock. If someone wants to work on a lemon cuckoo he would at least be a step in the right direction, but any time we bring in another breed there are many many generations of breeding and heavy culling to do afterwards. Anyone interested in Marans would do well to check out the club's website, where you can find the approved standards for the Black Copper and the proposed standards of several other varieties. http://www.maranschickenclubusa.com/index.html And if you really want in on the Marans world, especially for showing, join the club, it's only $10 a year and you get a nice newsletter, access to the clubs forums where many of the country's top breeders will answer your questions and other perks.

Since Marans have been admitted to the Standard of Perfection of the American Poultry Association we now have an American standard. This closely follows the French standard, with some small differences. This means that in the US all Marans are judged by the American standard. One of the main issues is that in England Marans are bred with clean legs. In the early days of importing Marans stock some came from England and some imports came from France and other countries. So now we have some clean legged birds in the US. Just so you would know, if you ever wanted to show your birds, clean legs are a disqualification. I have that issue in some of the Black Copper pullets I have. They are not too bad in other respects and will be bred to a fully feathered male. Anything hatching with clean legs will be culled as that is the only way to get rid of it. After I have a good number of fully feathered hens to breed from next year the clean legged girls will retire to the layer flock and not be bred again.

Glad to hear your mom is doing better!

 

[flower]

I am fond of black chickens. Because I wanted dark colored eggs, I do have two blue Marans hens and I really like their slate colored legs. Also, I like cross breeding to make EE/Nns with crests and beards and dark skin and legs. ha ha not the typical BYC
It is interesting to know and work for the SOC though if you are a serious breeder and sell your birds.

http://maransofamericaclub.com/

 

[Nuclear Chickens]

Phottoman

Love the sign!

 

[kevs-chickadees]

Oh yes the good ol internet. I saw a video that was sent to me years ago when our dog was a puppy. It was only considering the GS, Pit and a Rotti. In this particular video of which I'm still skeptical it had the Rotti finish with the most psi bite force and the Pit a close second.