Arizona Chickens

when you say deep litter what that mean?


Deep litter refers to a method where you fill the bottom of the chicken coop with a natural, compostable material such as pine shavings, straw, dry leaves, etc. Typically you make the litter anywhere from 4 inches deep on up. In more humid climates I've read that people actually make the DL material as much as a foot deep. The idea is that the chicken droppings fall into the DL where the nitrogen from the chicken poop combines with the carbon of the DL components to create both natural heat (via the bacterial processes involved in composting) in colder months, and wicking away dangerous moisture that leads to a build-up of ammonia levels that could lead to respiratory problems. Oftentimes insects will lay their larvae in the DL, creating great fun for the chickens and giving them a natural protein source. The number one problem with using the method is allowing the bedding to become too damp = ammonia. The second major problem is allowing it to become too dirty before replacing it. DL doesn't have to be kept meticulously clean though, and as a general rule if you walk in the coop and all you can smell is ammonia, it's a little beyond time to clean it all out and lay down fresh litter. Chickens LOVE DL.

That's my desire as well but I read that it's too warm here for dl. Do you clean before the summer? It's so hot and dry here I always have to add moisture to my compost so I didn't figure there would be much heat in the coop


Actually, no. I typically clean during the summer if the litter has become to wet and heavy with ammonia, but as a general rule I don't have a set schedule. How dirty the bedding gets depends upon how many chickens are living in it, how wet the litter gets, etc. My eyes and my nose guide my cleaning schedule. During the cooler months I make the DL a little deeper as several of my chickens prefer to sleep on the floor of their pen rather than roost and I want them to be nice and warm. During the summer, as long as you keep the DL from getting wet, it holds up quite nicely. You will DEFINITELY notice a difference between the wetter months and the drier ones though...both with your nose and the number of flies you'll have around. That's the number one drawback for me about using DL....flies breed like crazy in it. The chickens LOVE consuming all the larvae, but it still overwhelms even them.

I did switch from large pine shavings to straw for the first time this year, and I really don't like it. It's fine for the pens that are set up on dirt as the birds really churn through that straw, but they also eat it, so I have to replace it frequently. It also seems to break down into dust more quickly than the pine, and I noticed a fair amount of sneezing by both my chickens and us humans as a result. I'm switching back to pine shavings, which are still far more affordable than buying compost later in the year.
 
I am DEFINITELY keeping both Tank and Frost for breeding. I'm considering two other boys, but the rest of them will be culled.
Oh, ok, pheeeew - had me worried for a minute there. I don't know Tank personally but he seems like a nice bird.

Here's my two boys that I'm keeping for breeding when they were only about three months old.



The picture doesn't do them justice - they're a lot bigger now. I meant to take a picture of them today but didn't get a chance. I love those fella's. I can't believe how nice they turned out. They're only five months old on 3/24 but they look like full grown cocks. I have another nice NN in my layer coop and run that I'm sure is a pullet but my Brother-in-Law thinks she's a cockerel. She's a big gal but doesn't have any features to make me think she's a he - no long saddle, sickle, or hackle feathers. She does have a fair sized comb but not as big as the cockerels. I can't say 110% she's not a he though because I have another one I thought was a she until I watched her crow and try to hook up with some of the gals. That one did grow out his cockerel feathers after a couple of weeks so I did make a mistake thinking he was a she earlier. That one's going in the pot this Sunday.

I know I sound like a broken record but thanks again for peddling their qualities several months ago when you told me about them. After raising these for the last couple of months I can't imagine not having them in my flocks - I'll always have at least a dozen and maybe more. They're some of the easiest birds to raise and take care of, and they're all extremely healthy all the time. Also very curious and smart. I'm looking forward to pairing them up this fall and trying to improve them further, although I don't think some of them can be improved much more than they already are from a utility perspective. I would like to get some SOP NN's and work toward the SOP with them but I'd keep those separate from these which I only want to breed for BBQ qualities. I'd love to show them - I think they'd work out particularly well due to their easy handling qualities.

I don't know if you know it or not but I found out they're very popular in the Philippines too. I showed my niece pictures of mine and told her how great they were and she said they call them Cobra's over there but they're expensive and hard to get because no one wants to sell theirs. Apparently some of the restaurants over there are always buying them up from backyard growers and they pay a premium for them. My niece finally acquired a few and guards them carefully. I thought that was interesting - apparently we're not the only ones that value them.
 
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If anyone is interested I will be having fertile eggs for sale once I'm done filling my own incubators ,

I currently have a 3 separate flocks.

First flock - blue rooster with feathered feet
- 2 splash maran hens lay nice colored eggs .
- 1 black hen lays greenish eggs with muffs .
-2 blue hens with muffs lay blue eggs
-1 blue hen lays brown eggs .

Second flock
1- Rhode island red rooster
2 -Rhode island red hens
4- buff Orpington hens
2- red sexlink hens
2- silver laced Wyandotte hens

Third flock
Lavender orpington rooster and hens are marans, Easter eggers , black hens , a Polish , and other mixed breeds :)

I will sell a dozen for $6 or an 18 pack for $8 , you can ask from a single flock or mix and match , flock 1 and 2 are really fertile flock 3 just got there rooster 3 days ago they haven't had a rooster for about 3-4 weeks .

If anyone is interested I can post some pictures , thanks for reading
 
Oh, ok, pheeeew - had me worried for a minute there. I don't know Tank personally but he seems like a nice bird.

Here's my two boys that I'm keeping for breeding when they were only about three months old.



The picture doesn't do them justice - they're a lot bigger now. I meant to take a picture of them today but didn't get a chance. I love those fella's. I can't believe how nice they turned out. They're only five months old on 3/24 but they look like full grown cocks. I have another nice NN in my layer coop and run that I'm sure is a pullet but my Brother-in-Law thinks she's a cockerel. She's a big gal but doesn't have any features to make me think she's a he - no long saddle, sickle, or hackle feathers. She does have a fair sized comb but not as big as the cockerels. I can't say 110% she's not a he though because I have another one I thought was a she until I watched her crow and try to hook up with some of the gals. That one did grow out his cockerel feathers after a couple of weeks so I did make a mistake thinking he was a she earlier. That one's going in the pot this Sunday.

I know I sound like a broken record but thanks again for peddling their qualities several months ago when you told me about them. After raising these for the last couple of months I can't imagine not having them in my flocks - I'll always have at least a dozen and maybe more. They're some of the easiest birds to raise and take care of, and they're all extremely healthy all the time. Also very curious and smart. I'm looking forward to pairing them up this fall and trying to improve them further, although I don't think some of them can be improved much more than they already are from a utility perspective. I would like to get some SOP NN's and work toward the SOP with them but I'd keep those separate from these which I only want to breed for BBQ qualities. I'd love to show them - I think they'd work out particularly well due to their easy handling qualities.

I don't know if you know it or not but I found out they're very popular in the Philippines too. I showed my niece pictures of mine and told her how great they were and she said they call them Cobra's over there but they're expensive and hard to get because no one wants to sell theirs. Apparently some of the restaurants over there are always buying them up from backyard growers and they pay a premium for them. My niece finally acquired a few and guards them carefully. I thought that was interesting - apparently we're not the only ones that value them.

That's interesting to hear that they're so coveted in the Philippines, and I'm really glad your experience with them has been as amazing as my own has been.
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Thanks so much.

I'm pretty laid back, learned a lot of patience over the years, biting my tongue and usually issues resolve themselves without me saying a word, thank God, otherwise, I would have really made a fool of myself.

It takes a lot to get my goat, but something inside of you tells you when it's time to move on, whatever the cost.

Being so tired after work, my house is just a wreck with a gazillion unfinished projects and needs a thorough cleaning. I've got all the equipment and gadgets to get the job done.

I still have to finish a patio deck, do some paving front and back, unpack all the furniture still in in boxes, complete the run and coop, work on a bunch of old stereos and get rid of them because there are just too many.

My only serious outside obligation that I have is to learn my music, go to all the choir rehearsals and play for Sunday worship services. This is my weapon of choice, a nice Hammond organ and Leslie, a staple in the Gospel realm for years, and it rocks. --BB

 
Deep litter refers to a method where you fill the bottom of the chicken coop with a natural, compostable material such as pine shavings, straw, dry leaves, etc. Typically you make the litter anywhere from 4 inches deep on up. In more humid climates I've read that people actually make the DL material as much as a foot deep. The idea is that the chicken droppings fall into the DL where the nitrogen from the chicken poop combines with the carbon of the DL components to create both natural heat (via the bacterial processes involved in composting) in colder months, and wicking away dangerous moisture that leads to a build-up of ammonia levels that could lead to respiratory problems. Oftentimes insects will lay their larvae in the DL, creating great fun for the chickens and giving them a natural protein source. The number one problem with using the method is allowing the bedding to become too damp = ammonia. The second major problem is allowing it to become too dirty before replacing it. DL doesn't have to be kept meticulously clean though, and as a general rule if you walk in the coop and all you can smell is ammonia, it's a little beyond time to clean it all out and lay down fresh litter. Chickens LOVE DL. 



Actually, no. I typically clean during the summer if the litter has become to wet and heavy with ammonia, but as a general rule I don't have a set schedule. How dirty the bedding gets depends upon how many chickens are living in it, how wet the litter gets, etc. My eyes and my nose guide my cleaning schedule. During the cooler months I make the DL a little deeper as several of my chickens prefer to sleep on the floor of their pen rather than roost and I want them to be nice and warm. During the summer, as long as you keep the DL from getting wet, it holds up quite nicely. You will DEFINITELY notice a difference between the wetter months and the drier ones though...both with your nose and the number of flies you'll have around. That's the number one drawback for me about using DL....flies breed like crazy in it. The chickens LOVE consuming all the larvae, but it still overwhelms even them. 

I did switch from large pine shavings to straw for the first time this year, and I really don't like it. It's fine for the pens that are set up on dirt as the birds really churn through that straw, but they also eat it, so I have to replace it frequently. It also seems to break down into dust more quickly than the pine, and I noticed a fair amount of sneezing by both my chickens and us humans as a result. I'm switching back to pine shavings, which are still far more affordable than buying compost later in the year. 

Thanks so much DesertChic this really helps. I am going with deep litter and pine for now.
The last time we had chickens was in CA and we didn't have a coop there.
 
Hey guys! Just wanted to say hi. I'm on my search for veterinarian jobs since my graduation is fast approaching. I have always gravitated towards Arizona since visiting for the first time in 2008. I tried looking at other areas, but here I am fairly certain I will end up outside Phoenix. The other states just weren't quite for me. I have a trip planned at the end of those month to do some interviews and to look at the area better. So far I have interviews in cave creek and Prescott valley. Then the third practice is more spread out around the northern suburbs of Phoenix.

I've been told lots of people are getting into backyard chickens out there. Is that true? I'm hoping to be able to see some chicken clients to get my fill of birds and some of the practices have been super happy about that. Hoping I can get some chickens myself again at some point!

Maybe I'll see ya'll shortly!

-Lauren
 
Hey guys! Just wanted to say hi. I'm on my search for veterinarian jobs since my graduation is fast approaching. I have always gravitated towards Arizona since visiting for the first time in 2008. I tried looking at other areas, but here I am fairly certain I will end up outside Phoenix. The other states just weren't quite for me. I have a trip planned at the end of those month to do some interviews and to look at the area better. So far I have interviews in cave creek and Prescott valley. Then the third practice is more spread out around the northern suburbs of Phoenix.

I've been told lots of people are getting into backyard chickens out there. Is that true? I'm hoping to be able to see some chicken clients to get my fill of birds and some of the practices have been super happy about that. Hoping I can get some chickens myself again at some point!

Maybe I'll see ya'll shortly!

-Lauren
Congratulations on your upcoming graduation. I think you'll like it here in the Valley. I used to take my dogs to Arrowhead Vets off of 67th Avenue and they were always very busy and provided great service. Might want to check them out too. I don't live too far from the Vet in Cave Creek - my son used to work there a while back and said it was a good place to work. Gosh, if you need chicken clients you came to the right place. That's the tough thing about owning chickens - it's often not cost effective to take a bird to the vet so as a chicken owner you have to become a part-time vet yourself. I say not cost effective, but that's not always the case. I had an expensive SOP RIR that I would've took to the vet in a heartbeat when she had a respiratory infection. It wasn't so much the cost as the fact that she was a great bird that I wanted to fix no matter the cost - hard to find good SOP birds. Yeah, keep in touch on here because if you're in the area in the future and I had a problem with any of my best birds, I'd call you in a New York (New Jersey in your case) minute.
 
Thanks so much. I'm pretty laid back, learned a lot of patience over the years, biting my tongue and usually issues resolve themselves without me saying a word, thank God, otherwise, I would have really made a fool of myself. It takes a lot to get my goat, but something inside of you tells you when it's time to move on, whatever the cost. Being so tired after work, my house is just a wreck with a gazillion unfinished projects and needs a thorough cleaning. I've got all the equipment and gadgets to get the job done. I still have to finish a patio deck, do some paving front and back, unpack all the furniture still in in boxes, complete the run and coop, work on a bunch of old stereos and get rid of them because there are just too many. My only serious outside obligation that I have is to learn my music, go to all the choir rehearsals and play for Sunday worship services. This is my weapon of choice, a nice Hammond organ and Leslie, a staple in the Gospel realm for years, and it rocks. --BB
Gorgeous organ. I had lessons when I was a kid. It was fun. Love the tubes you can get out of one. You'll get there on the projects. Just remember health & life come first. Of course, chicken entertainment soon! Then it's thing to control the chicken math...
 

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