Arizona Chickens

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My guess is that a chicken with this infection would smell pretty bad too.

Here is what the Merck Vet. Manual (http://www.merckvetmanual.com/mvm/index.jsp?cfile=htm/bc/201400.htm) says about it (and when they say caseous, think "cheesy"):
The bird may be riddled with caseous, necrotic foci. The mouth and esophagus contain a mass of necrotic material that may extend into the skull and sometimes through the surrounding tissues of the neck to involve the skin. In the esophagus and crop, the lesions may be yellow, rounded, raised areas, with a central conical caseous spur, often referred to as “yellow buttons.” The crop may be covered by a yellowish, diphtheritic membrane that may extend to the proventriculus. The gizzard and intestine are not involved. Lesions of internal organs are most frequent in the liver; they vary from a few small, yellow areas of necrosis to almost complete replacement of liver tissue by caseous necrotic debris. Adhesions and involvement of other internal organs appear to be contact extensions of the liver lesions.

I don't have any experience with either of these diseases, only with what I've read. But, it sounds like one distinguishing feature is the age at which the birds are likely to exhibit the diseases; Trichomonas gallinae is more likely to be seen in younger birds and infectious coryza is more likely to be seen in older birds. Also, it sounds like it would be good to have a look at the liver. That might be the best distinguishing feature a BYC'er could use.

Given our urban environment, the large numbers of doves and sparrows (which also carry it) and the extremely high frequency of infection in the wild birds, I would have to wonder if they might be the culprits. Also, Trichomonas gallinae is typically transmitted to poultry from wild birds after sharing a water source. The parasite doesn't live long at all in a dry environment (I think it's measured in minutes), but can live quite well in a watering dish. Do you use poultry nipples? That might help limit transmission.

I don't know if any of this will help and I certainly hope I didn't muddle things for you. And please, if anyone else has something to correct or add here, please do. I'm not an expert by any means, just a guy that likes to read obscure crap and worry himself.​

I find an awful lot of partially grown doves in my yard. Wonder if they're dying of trichamonas.
 
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My guess is that a chicken with this infection would smell pretty bad too.

Here is what the Merck Vet. Manual (http://www.merckvetmanual.com/mvm/index.jsp?cfile=htm/bc/201400.htm) says about it (and when they say caseous, think "cheesy"):
The bird may be riddled with caseous, necrotic foci. The mouth and esophagus contain a mass of necrotic material that may extend into the skull and sometimes through the surrounding tissues of the neck to involve the skin. In the esophagus and crop, the lesions may be yellow, rounded, raised areas, with a central conical caseous spur, often referred to as “yellow buttons.” The crop may be covered by a yellowish, diphtheritic membrane that may extend to the proventriculus. The gizzard and intestine are not involved. Lesions of internal organs are most frequent in the liver; they vary from a few small, yellow areas of necrosis to almost complete replacement of liver tissue by caseous necrotic debris. Adhesions and involvement of other internal organs appear to be contact extensions of the liver lesions.

I don't have any experience with either of these diseases, only with what I've read. But, it sounds like one distinguishing feature is the age at which the birds are likely to exhibit the diseases; Trichomonas gallinae is more likely to be seen in younger birds and infectious coryza is more likely to be seen in older birds. Also, it sounds like it would be good to have a look at the liver. That might be the best distinguishing feature a BYC'er could use.

Given our urban environment, the large numbers of doves and sparrows (which also carry it) and the extremely high frequency of infection in the wild birds, I would have to wonder if they might be the culprits. Also, Trichomonas gallinae is typically transmitted to poultry from wild birds after sharing a water source. The parasite doesn't live long at all in a dry environment (I think it's measured in minutes), but can live quite well in a watering dish. Do you use poultry nipples? That might help limit transmission.

I don't know if any of this will help and I certainly hope I didn't muddle things for you. And please, if anyone else has something to correct or add here, please do. I'm not an expert by any means, just a guy that likes to read obscure crap and worry himself.​

It's because of you that I finally got my husband convinced that I need my automatic waterer! UTI just read him this information. After telling him about pastrmama's horrific tragedy, he's convinced he needs to put a waterer inside the coop. Thank you!
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I assume that Dr. Tracy would have told us not to eat it if there was a problem. There was a tad bit of odor with this one that the other did not have.

Tracy - care to chime in on this one?

We're all still here after eating it - live and learn

If I'd known there was an odor I wouldn't have eaten her. But, nobody got sick so I guess it was okay.
How was the roo?

Tammy said there was a bit of chicken odor after opening the bag after resting for a day - she just said it was almost like something died but it was brief. (Glad I'm just learning this...) Do yo think it could have been the liver issue?

The roo was absolutely delicious! Very flavorful & changed her mind about raising meat birds. (again)
 
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It's pouring right now. I love it! I had to go save the silkies. I'm sorry but they are just not the brightest bulbs in the shed. Two nights in a row I've had to put them in a dry place because they're out in the open, soaking wet, freezing to death. Even the fatties know how to get out of the rain.
 
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Dem's the
ones!

Okay. So, the roo was tasty and the pullet was so so. I think somethink was really not right with that pullet. We probably should have culled her, now we know. Way better than store bought and no odor is how they should be.

Should have read this first before I put up the last post - I guess all the info was there though.
 

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