autosomal dominant barring, is there such a gene?

[herechickchick]

pips&peeps :

I am not opposed to people wanting to develop new colors either, but if it cannot conform to the standard, then what is the point in continuing?

The leg color standard is a big issue and I don't see the Board changing that anytime in the future.

The colors that I know of that are being developed are:

Lavender
Black Gold
Blue Silver
Salmon
Mottled
Birchen
Splash & Splash Wheaten
& I was aware of your Red Pyle work

I agree completely Jean. I think barring is just not in the cards for this breed, unfortunately. I am starting my Red Pyle work in my bantam Araucana's this spring. I have not done much research to see if it can be done in the Ameraucana but I don't see why not. I am personally excited to see Rose Knold's Mottled project develop further. It is all very cool.

Patty have fun with the Campines and let me know when Muffy eggs are available, I just love her.​

 

[onthespot]

I have six saved and missed sending them today, got held over from PM traffic because of the holiday which I forgot about. I will send them tomorrow, plus maybe one more. I know some of them will be old, but some will be fresh when they get to you. the more the merrier. Hopefully oen will hatch. Another one of her eggs just hatched today, in a styrofoam incubator that was running multiple split hatches, not quite enough humidity, temps a little erratic but nothing too far off. These chicks so far are VERY vigorous, super good at zipping and pipping, eat well and are active and very lively buggers! Can't wait to see them grow up and see what I get for eggs. Here are your eggs.

 

[herechickchick]

Can't wait!

 

[flyingmonkeypoop]

I think your best bet would be to keep breding them to the ameraucana standard and when more people have them and you get ready to have them admitted to the SOP have in the standard that they have white legs but the more blue the better. I ran into the same problem with my crele phoenix.
I was just thinking, what color of legs do cuckoo silkies have? I think they have slate/black legs but I am not sure.

 

[Kev]

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Thanks, Tim. I have a question- do dark browns have the label of e^b? If that is so, how is it possible for a bird to have both birchen and dark brown/e^b? Or does the pattern depend on heterozygoity like blue in chickens.

If dark brown and e^b are not the same, what's the common name applied to e^b and the genetic label for dark brown?

 

[tadkerson]

Kev,

Dark brown is Db and is a columbian like restrictor while eb is an E locus gene called brown. An older name for brown is partridge. Dark brown got its name because it changes the black down of birchen chicks to a dark brown color. Dark brown is incompletely dominant.

I am using the older nomenclature for the naming of the genes. Chicken fanciers use the old way of naming things and that is just fine.


To others at BYC,

The individuals over at ABC are sticking to a standard of perfection. The standard of perfection is blue eggs, blue to black shanks and feet, and specific varieties that are described in the standard. I do not raise ameraucana but I can see the constant battle that the ameraucana breeders have trying to convince people of the standard. If a person wants to breed ameraucana, they should stick with the standard of perfection.

I am not trying to pick a fight- just stating the facts. All breeders have to go by the standard of perfection. If a person wants to produce a green egg laying, barred and muffed bird they can but do not call it an ameraucana.

Good luck with your barred whatchamacallum.

I am working on a barred rhode island red and a rhode island silver, and will most likely have to change the name because there is no barred rhode island red or rhode island silver in the standard. I may call them a Barred Monique and a Silver Monique after my grand daughter.

Tim

 

[Windchyme]

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I have got it finally on my cuckoo silkies along with dark beaks, the only issue now is the comb/wattle/face skin color and that is mottled now, I think it is only a matter of time till I get the aforementioned parts to kick over and be dark.

 

[Sonoran Silkies]

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More and more are getting the dark legs. I have one chick whose legs are as dark as can be.

It is quite possible to get barring and dark legs, you just have to breed enough that you get some who had crossover and have both dark skin and barring. The hardest part is waiting for males to mature as thier skin and comb tends to get lighter as they reach sexual maturity.

I don't see why it couldn't be done with ameraucanas if someone is willing to put the time and effort into it. But you do have to consider that it will be a harder/longer project than a variety where you merely have to breed one gene in.

 

[Windchyme]

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More and more are getting the dark legs. I have one chick whose legs are as dark as can be.

It is quite possible to get barring and dark legs, you just have to breed enough that you get some who had crossover and have both dark skin and barring. The hardest part is waiting for males to mature as thier skin and comb tends to get lighter as they reach sexual maturity.

I don't see why it couldn't be done with ameraucanas if someone is willing to put the time and effort into it. But you do have to consider that it will be a harder/longer project than a variety where you merely have to breed one gene in.

I agree. I still havn't gotten the face area licked but it is mottling so I still have hope. The black skin and legs I finally have covered though (whewwww). At least on the black and blue cuckoo...

 

[Henk69]

Autosomal Barring is NOT recessive.
The responsible factors Db and Pg are both dominant (albeit incomplete).