Thanks Steve, but you that does not answer the question on how feeding med feeds will keep them alive in the first 2 weeks of life ??
If you start every batch on sterile conditions new litter and disinfected between batches how would they develop the disease in the first 2 weeks ??
The answer is they can't.
on the meds that are in the feeds, but what if any of those can aid in keeping a chick alive in the first week or two ??
I'm basing everything on a sterile clean brooder, with new litter each batch or on a deep litter pack that is properly aged.
Here is a piece from a university study that was done on this same thing......
If you start every batch on sterile conditions new litter and disinfected between batches how would they develop the disease in the first 2 weeks ??
The answer is they can't.
on the meds that are in the feeds, but what if any of those can aid in keeping a chick alive in the first week or two ??
I'm basing everything on a sterile clean brooder, with new litter each batch or on a deep litter pack that is properly aged.
Here is a piece from a university study that was done on this same thing......
Coccidiosis is an intestinal parasite that exists just about everywhere. It can take a heavy toll on chicks, starting from about three weeks of age. The parasite multiplies greatly in the gut of the chick, and vast numbers of "oocycsts" (think of them as eggs) come out in the manure. Chicks raised on litter floors scratch and peck at the litter, looking for food, and become infected. The explosive multiplication of the coccidia can lead to dead, stunted, and sick chicks.
Chicks that are exposed to only low levels of coccidia become immune without becoming sick.
Control is achieved by breaking the reproductive cycle. Chicks raised on wire floors don't get coccidiosis because they don't have enough contact with manure. Chicks raised on free range from a very early age tend not to get it because they also don't have enough exposure. Chicks raised on old litter (used for at least six months) tend not to get it because the litter eventually harbors microscopic creatures that eat coccidia. Medicated chick starter contains drugs that suppress coccidia directly.
Wet litter, crowding, intermittent feeding, and any type of stress tend to increase coccidiosis. (If the feeders are empty, the chicks will spend more time nosing around in the litter.)
Again not trying to start an argument here but really ask yourself why would any of the med feeds help keep them alive in the first week or two, if you have everything done correctly ???
If you keep everything clean and run a good program you would not ever loose one in the first week to coccidiosis or anything else that the med feeds would help anyways.
In 3 years of raising poults I have never lost one in the first week or two due to Cocci or anything else that the med feeds would prevent from happing in that time frame.
Only thing the meds will do is help play a role in building a immunity to the disease, if and when they come in contact with them.
On the ACV you are right, so why not use natural methods and destroy them instead of feeding meds ??
It is not the med feeds that keep them alive it is husbandry that keeps them alive.
Usually what happens is they start off the non med feeds and some start to die, that would have died anyways even on med feeds, and then they switch and by then they are at end of week 1 or week 2 and no more die so they assume the med feed helped save them when in reality they would have died no matter what, because something was not right to begin with.
And the first two weeks of a turkeys life is the hardest on them, and after that period none usually die unless human error.
Chicks that are exposed to only low levels of coccidia become immune without becoming sick.
Control is achieved by breaking the reproductive cycle. Chicks raised on wire floors don't get coccidiosis because they don't have enough contact with manure. Chicks raised on free range from a very early age tend not to get it because they also don't have enough exposure. Chicks raised on old litter (used for at least six months) tend not to get it because the litter eventually harbors microscopic creatures that eat coccidia. Medicated chick starter contains drugs that suppress coccidia directly.
Wet litter, crowding, intermittent feeding, and any type of stress tend to increase coccidiosis. (If the feeders are empty, the chicks will spend more time nosing around in the litter.)
Again not trying to start an argument here but really ask yourself why would any of the med feeds help keep them alive in the first week or two, if you have everything done correctly ???
If you keep everything clean and run a good program you would not ever loose one in the first week to coccidiosis or anything else that the med feeds would help anyways.
In 3 years of raising poults I have never lost one in the first week or two due to Cocci or anything else that the med feeds would prevent from happing in that time frame.
Only thing the meds will do is help play a role in building a immunity to the disease, if and when they come in contact with them.
On the ACV you are right, so why not use natural methods and destroy them instead of feeding meds ??
It is not the med feeds that keep them alive it is husbandry that keeps them alive.
Usually what happens is they start off the non med feeds and some start to die, that would have died anyways even on med feeds, and then they switch and by then they are at end of week 1 or week 2 and no more die so they assume the med feed helped save them when in reality they would have died no matter what, because something was not right to begin with.
And the first two weeks of a turkeys life is the hardest on them, and after that period none usually die unless human error.
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