Backyard Brahmas!!

[HenHacienda]

Here is one with two others...blue partridge on the right, gold partridge on the left, color in question in the middle.

 

[HenHacienda]

Have you ever tried using the chickencalculator.com? It almost looks like my Silver Ameraucanas. She's very puuuuurrrrrrrdddddyyyyyy. Lol
Maybe a buff crossed with a partridge or
Silver pencil

 

[Huntress78]

Here is one with two others...blue partridge on the right, gold partridge on the left, color in question in the middle.

It seems that every breeder of nonstandard colors has their own name/description for them. To me the bird in the middle is gold partridge...no red, just yellow/buff gold. The one on the left is closer to a true partridge...still lacking something, mahogany maybe? And when I think of blue partridge it's either red OR gold/buff with the blue.

 

[big medicine]

Probably should post this either on the project thread or on the breeders thread, but this thread has more action than the others.

What color is this? How did this color happen? If this is bred to either gold partridge or dark, what could be expected? @big medicine will probably know.

Pullet, about 2 months old, thunderstorm coming in so excuse the messy windblown feathers:


Edited to fix the color on the pictures.

Here is one with two others...blue partridge on the right, gold partridge on the left, color in question in the middle.

Well, the pattern is penciled, that I feel confident about.

With these project birds, it has been my experience, that many variations can pop up. Until you have the desired traits set, and can reproduce them reliably, these anomalies will happen. Sometimes these variations can lead to separate side projects if you are so inclined.

The key is to get to the point where you can reproduce this version reliably. Too often somebody gets something different, and thinks they have discovered some new variety. The fact is they got a unique roll of the genetic dice, producing a different looking bird that is likely not genetically pure for those traits, and will have a hard time reproducing these traits in many of their chicks. Now it can be done, given enough time, and determination, this is how most new varieties came to be, after many, many generations of refinement.

As to the pullet in question. There are many genetics involving subtle (some not so subtle) color enhancers, as well as restrictors. My guess would be you have considerable genetic variation in this area among the birds of your flock. I don't think I would worry about giving the color a name until I could get it to breed true, if that is the plan.

As to what breeding this bird would likely produce. I would suspect you will likely dilute partridge by breeding to it. Breeding to a dark male would produce silver penciled (dark) pullets, would be interesting to see if any dilution would carry over to any gold based young produced by these dark the following generation.

 

[lgc1970]

Well, the pattern is penciled, that I feel confident about.

With these project birds, it has been my experience, that many variations can pop up.   Until you have the desired traits set, and can reproduce them reliably, these anomalies will happen. Sometimes these variations can lead to separate side projects if you are so inclined.

 The key is to get to the point where you can reproduce this version reliably.  Too often somebody gets something different, and thinks they have discovered some new variety. The fact is they got a unique roll of the genetic dice, producing a different looking bird that is likely not genetically pure for those traits, and will have a hard time reproducing these traits in many of their chicks.  Now it can be done, given enough time, and determination, this is how most new varieties came to be, after many, many generations of refinement.

As to the pullet in question. There are many genetics involving subtle (some not so subtle) color enhancers, as well as restrictors. My guess would be you have considerable genetic variation in this area among the birds of your flock.  I don't think I would worry about giving the color a name until I could get it to breed true, if that is the plan.      

As to what breeding this bird would likely produce. I would suspect you will likely dilute partridge by breeding to it.  Breeding to a dark male would produce silver penciled (dark) pullets, would be interesting to see if any dilution would carry over to any gold based young produced by these dark the following generation.

Wow! big medicine, do you have any resources for your knowledge? I am trying to find books and web info to help me identify good breeder stock and assess F1 stock to know that I have a prayer of getting it aim towards show quality for feathering rather than pets. I have been away from chickens for a while, but now that I am trying to get my flock going I want to jump in on the right-er? side of things... I have mostly pets / food right now, but as next spring rolls around I want to get my flock going in the right direction.

Thanks for all the input!

 

[bumpercarr]

Well, the pattern is penciled, that I feel confident about.

With these project birds, it has been my experience, that many variations can pop up. Until you have the desired traits set, and can reproduce them reliably, these anomalies will happen. Sometimes these variations can lead to separate side projects if you are so inclined.

The key is to get to the point where you can reproduce this version reliably. Too often somebody gets something different, and thinks they have discovered some new variety. The fact is they got a unique roll of the genetic dice, producing a different looking bird that is likely not genetically pure for those traits, and will have a hard time reproducing these traits in many of their chicks. Now it can be done, given enough time, and determination, this is how most new varieties came to be, after many, many generations of refinement.

As to the pullet in question. There are many genetics involving subtle (some not so subtle) color enhancers, as well as restrictors. My guess would be you have considerable genetic variation in this area among the birds of your flock. I don't think I would worry about giving the color a name until I could get it to breed true, if that is the plan.

As to what breeding this bird would likely produce. I would suspect you will likely dilute partridge by breeding to it. Breeding to a dark male would produce silver penciled (dark) pullets, would be interesting to see if any dilution would carry over to any gold based young produced by these dark the following generation.

Lol....I was pretty sure she was penciled as well.

She seemed to me to be yellow/gold partridge, like the males would be from Gold Partridge x Dark. But as far as I know, that only shows up in the males, so I was really curious if you had seen a color like this one and maybe what the breeding to get there was? Not trying to reproduce it (although if it continues to crop up, who knows, may be a side project), but trying to figure out what will happen when (if) I cross her with a dark. The pullets would probably be darks, but would there be a dilution of the silver with the yellow/gold, if that is even what it is? I'm thinking that the cockerels would still come out yellow/gold partridge, the same as breeding the gold x dark.

One other interesting thing about this particular pullet that is not noticeable in the pictures is that in certain light, she has a very definite lavender tint, at first I thought it was maybe blue but it is definitely lavender. I'm wondering if maybe she may be a cross between a gold partridge and a lavender laced.....if you look at the breast feathers (yes she is still very young and the pattern may change) there is a hint there of incomplete lacing rather than the penciling that is evident on the wing and back feathers. If this is the case, I would have thought that the lavender wouldn't show through the gold/black, but as you said, you never really know what may pop up out of these variations.

I don't want to dilute my partridge, so I will probably try covering her with a dark (which was my plan anyway, covering all of the partridge pullets with darks once I'm sure I don't have any V/v). It might be interesting to see what F1 is going to look like and maybe even breed some of them back or to each other to see what I get. That may be a side project a few years down the road though.

 

[bumpercarr]

Wow! big medicine, do you have any resources for your knowledge? I am trying to find books and web info to help me identify good breeder stock and assess F1 stock to know that I have a prayer of getting it aim towards show quality for feathering rather than pets. I have been away from chickens for a while, but now that I am trying to get my flock going I want to jump in on the right-er? side of things... I have mostly pets / food right now, but as next spring rolls around I want to get my flock going in the right direction.

Thanks for all the input!

He's like really, REALLY smart and has been doing this for a bazillion years.........I love reading his posts.

 

[cabinchicky]

Big Medicine is a Brahma Guru I say. He has some smarts on em for sure.

 

[lgc1970]

I think I may seek out and read all of big medicine's posts. It can't hurt , right? My not so little Buff Brahma is making quite the splash around here, can't wait to see if I have a pullet or a cockerel. At nearly 4 weeks, the pea comb is small and pale, plus really feathered out all over. Just streaks left of down on the back and chest. But the little-big guy is pushy or bossy over the smaller chicks. Then lays down with 1 under each wing. Go figure!

 

[livininbrazil]

Thankyou for the information. I will try to post a better picture of his comb. It looks like it has 3 small bumps in the front, then a bit of a space then 3 more. lol I understand there are only certain colors that are "recognized" by the APA, but that doesn't mean others don't exist. This particular breeder is in South Carolina (Dani Morales) "Brahma" sells his Brahmas on RBA and eggs on Ebay--both breeds. Fact he is one of the most popular sellers on RB

Young dark brahma cockerel.

Well the Cochin was used to create the English Orpingtons, this is why some still may have feathered legs. The breeder Sells his birds on RBA as "brahma2010" I believe thats his user name on RBA and he sells both breeds English Orpingtons and Brahmas. His Name is Dani Morales and he's in South Carolina. He has Light, buff, black, lavender, lavender columbian (I think is what they call it) and dark. That I'm aware of. Oh and maybe blue?

I love the colours. Here where I live now, there a re a number of different colours, but they´re not quite breeding true yet...There are pure whites, too. a lot of the other-colour brahmas here have come from Holland. Unfortunately, people get them mixed up with Cochin and breed them together, thinking they´re the same thing.....