Barbu D'Anvers color question. Silver Quail?

[d3n2]

Hello all,

I just joined BYC, but I have been reading through a lot of very informative threads/posts for the past couple months.

I have a quick question about the coloring of this Barbu D'Anvers Roo. Would he be a silver quail? Silver columbian? Something else? Silver Millefleur?

Sorry for the bad photo, will try to get more. Looking forward to any helpful input! Thank you!

 

[chickachicka12345]

hes impressive!! definitely silver quail. more pics?

 

[Amer]

He's silver spangled. Interesting.

 

[Amer]

He's heterozygous silver/gold though.

 

[Amer]

He might be from a project to produce silver laced, I wonder if the small spangling is from being on a duckwing base
This is just my guess because he has a black tail (indicating partridge base) but I'm not aware of any partridge existing in d'Anvers which makes me think this is the genotype:

(Ignore spangled tail it should probably be black)

 

[d3n2]

Thanks for the replies!

I got more information from the breeder, so this roo's coloring/genetics might be easier to figure out.

First off, he is a Barbu de Watermael. Apparently the pairing was from a millefleur male and a silver columbian female. That would make him a silver millefleur? Which is Co/?, S/s+, mo/mo? Actually, @Amer is correct that he would be a golden/yellow. How could you tell? Still new to all this chicken colors and genetics...

With regards to the tail, I noticed while playing around with the genetic calculator, if I put in S/S with the above combo, I get a mostly white tail. If I put in S/s+, or even s+/s+, I get a black tail with some mottling. Might not mean much. Also, when I google silver millefleur, they usually have black tails with mottling.

Finally, one thing that has always confused me, what's the difference between a spangled and a millefleur? From what I've read, spangled is a mottled laced. Does that mean millefleur is just a mottled columbian? What's a regular mottled?

Thanks again for your help! And also another picture of our boy!

 

[d3n2]

Also a picture of the father!

 

[Amer]

Apparently the pairing was from a millefleur male and a silver columbian female. That would make him a silver millefleur? Which is Co/?, S/s+, mo/mo? Actually, @Amer is correct that he would be a golden/yellow.

Oh, that would make more sense than my thoughts. Mille Fluer is thought to be gold spangled with mottling. It may be partridge based or duckwing, not sure if partridge exists in Watermaels. @KristenG ?
But regardless he isn't silver millefleur, he's golden (silver/gold) spangled. He doesn't have the mottling gene.
I could tell he is half gold due to the yellow cast on his neck/back.

With regards to the tail, I noticed while playing around with the genetic calculator, if I put in S/S with the above combo, I get a mostly white tail. If I put in S/s+, or even s+/s+, I get a black tail with some mottling. Might not mean much.

Sounds like a calculator design flaw. It is by no means perfect.

From what I've read, spangled is a mottled laced. Does that mean millefleur is just a mottled columbian? What's a regular mottled?

Not at all.

Spangling is a specific combination of genes
Spangling on a partridge base is
Partridge, Dark brown/ginger, Melanotic, and Pattern Gene.
Mille Fleur is that with the addition of mottling.
I've heard that it is a Mottled Columbian but I believe this cross proves it is not so. If the Columbian gene were involved, you would get lacing (a tolbunt type color.)
Mottle is a gene that causes mottling (white speckling) all over the bird, regardless of its color. "Mottled" is a layman's term for a black mottled bird (a solid black bird with white spots.)

 

[Amer]

A good way to test if the Mille Fluer or "Columbian" are actually Ginger is crossing with a birchen bird. Since Ginger shows up well on Birchen and Columbian doesn't.

 

[Amer]

I'm trying to be coherent right now but Mille Fluer isn't actually well understood.