Barnevelder breeders lets work together and improve the breed

[tls_ranch]

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Thank you Kelli,
I haven't been working with them long so I can't take the credit. But, I do enjoy them

If you want some eggs, let me know. I won't have any until late this fall or better yet spring. Since I lost roo I have to wait until my cockerels learn which end to breed

Boy those hens don't take any crap from them either.

Trisha

 

[Laurieks]

I'm happy to see this thread again! I got busy with Faverolles & haven't checked here for a bit.
I may have posted these before, but here are eggs & birds....
Jack, son of Johan hen & kc/vb (mo?) roo... lost his nice tailfeathers when he challenged older roo. His comb makes him my #1 keeper

Alexander, father of Jack, just turned 12 months, can't call him a cockerel any more. Taken few months ago.

Eggs from last year...

We have chicks growing out, and several are looking like boys... please please let me know if you can use any!
Girl pics... need to look closer at Freya and see if she's closer to U shape than this one shows.
Chica as a teen (?12 weeks here?)

Jack's mom Freya

 

[GwenDellAnno]

Thanks Trisha for your assessment of my birds. Welsummer huh?? I got my birds from Performance Poultry in eastern Ontario. The three chicks I hatched that I thought might be the pure barnevelders all have the really strong V's on their heads. Oh well..... they will still be nice "egg" birds.

 

[()relics]

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...yeah when you say barring you are right. But the problem being barnevelders need to be double laced. The barring pattern, or chipmunk, plus the redish tint that they have sure make me think that welsummers were used somewhere back in that line. This is a common "trick" of unscrupuluos breeders. They may not have the egg color or the size in their lines so they introduce a welsummer. That may darken the eggs and make them more uniform in size but isn't so good for the person buying the eggs to hatch. Bantams are even worse. I have my own "lines" of both bantams and stanards that I maintain without additions. Whenever I see someone advertise birds/eggs/chicks, that look better than mine, I buy some and hatch/brood them just to see what is what...IMO most of the junk advertised is just that JUNK...I should have prefaced that by saying I have never bought any barnevelders from anyone that advertises their eggs/birds on this site. Again Bantams are WORSE...there are sellers that sell bantam barnevelders, on various sites on-line, that are no more barnevelders than I am, and charge loads for them...And agreed if you hatch a chick that has a V on its head, know it is not a barnvelder....All my chicks hatch with almost solid black head, with a few lighter areas but almost all black...

 

[leahthor]

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Oh, your girls are lovely!

 

[pinkchick]

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Hi, Mick the roo looks decent other than maybe having a bit too much red on his back and saddle feathers. Of the hens, Daisy is the closest to Barnevelder color. Rusty is a Welsummer I believe. Several breeders and hatchery's have Barnevelders that have been crossed with Welsummers. That is where you get the partridge reddish color and salmon colored breasts.

I like the speckled egg! One of my hens gives me one of those. But, she's my smallest hen and doesn't lay very well. Maybe one of her daughters will do better.

When hatching Barnevelder chicks, keep an eye out for chicks with strong "V" markings on their heads. That could mean that they have too much welsummer in them. I think the solid or almost solid dark headed chicks turn out better marked. Also select for the cleanest lacing

Trisha

I agree! They have Welsummer in them. Rusty is almost the spitting image of a Wellie. See Edelweiss' chest feathers with the light shafting and salmony coloring.......that is Welsummer thru and thru.... here are a couple photos of 2 of my Wellie girls for comparison.

I read Welsummers have been crossed into these birds to try and regain some egg color and many lines have Welsummer blood in them giving the appearance of the "V" and eyeliner upon hatch. Barnevelders should have dark heads and no "V"s and no eyeliner. Farmer Johan told me that they are sexable at hatch. The darker chested chicks he stated will be boys and the lighter chested chicks will be girls, if they are from Johan birds. I had eggs shipped in from 4 different breeders this year and the only ones that are pure Barnies are Johan's birds. They stand out in the crowd and look completely different than the other breeders birds. I will try to post photos of the different examples later. Their lacing is horrible and they do not look like a Barnie or a Welsummer, but I must say that they are very sweet and mild tempered birds.

 

[GwenDellAnno]

Wow, my barnies do look more like wellies. I surely won't be selling their offspring as show quality or breeding stock.

 

[Kansaseq]

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Crud! As I sit here looking at these pictures, I've come to the realization I don't have what I thought I did. My chicks were given to me by a friend who only buys the best quality eggs he can find. His Barnie eggs were supposedly from exhibition stock. Well, being new to the breed, and since they were a gift, I never questioned it. But a couple of my hens have the lighter chests, or just not as good lacing as they should. I'm thinking now that there was Wellie in their background. Why do people have to lie? I sold eggs to a couple of people on here, believing my birds were nice birds. I've got to track these two people down, and offer a refund when I honestly can't afford it right now. Ugh!

 

[littledel]

I got my first barnvelders about 4 months ago. A trio, that has turned into a beautiful standard size pair and one tiny little pullet. She looks just like the other two, but is just tiny. Would this be a bantam or a defect. They are about 4-4 and a half months old now.

 

[tls_ranch]

It's possible to sex some lines of Barnevelder chicks at hatch. But, it's not 100% and you really need to know your own line. BOYS will have white chests and GIRLS will have dark chests. You will find chicks with medium colored chests too and they will have to be watched to see what they are.