Barnevelder breeders lets work together and improve the breed

[Tailfeathers]

I really want to get out and take some pics of these Rosecomb (yes, I shorten that with RC) Barnie juveniles. I used a pretty good looking boy (I'll try to take a pic of him too) back to his RC Mom and Sister. The Type is there and the lacing should be because it's really good in the sister. Egg color on one of them isn't too bad. About the same as my other regular Barnies. One of the eggs is a little light.

I have no idea what's gonna happen with the BLRW cockerel over the two RC Barnies. I have a pair of BLRWs so I figured, what the heck, since the both have RC and they BLRW has lacing, I figured I'd give it a try. It's just the first mating, so it's more a curiosity experiment than anything.

God Bless,

 

[sherpagirl]

Donna,

I'd love to see pictures of your chicks. Are these first generation (F1) crosses with SPR? I also used SPR and bred them both ways (M/F and F/M) but didn't get any partridge or rather silver penciled birds in the F1 generation. This is because Melanotic is dominant so heterozygous birds just look double laced. Silver penciled did come back in later generations as the recessive genes recombined. All that aside there is still more variation in the chicks at all stages then you would see in an older more established breed.
~Al

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Here is a picture of the 2 patterns i am seeing. Double lacing on the left and penciled pattern on the right. These chicks are 4 weeks old, there are boys and girls of each. So, this is what i did to get here:
YEAR 1) SPR roo X Barnie hen = Silver females
YEAR 2) Silver females X Barnie roo = split males (maybe there was a silver one but i couldnt tell and I keep 8 of them for 6 months! So judging by my results I'm assuming the one i picked was a split)
YEAR 3) Split male X Silver females from the first cross = ?
Out of the 4 dozen or so chicks, 12 were brown females(pretty sure all females), i sold them right away. Now 2/3 of what I have left are boys! 1/2 of all the chicks (boys and girls combined) have a pattern like a young Barnie and 1/2 of them have a penciled look. So, i'm wondering if i can safely sell the penciled ones now. I don't want to keep any of them longer than I have too because I'm worried about overcrowding.

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[tls_ranch]

I really want to get out and take some pics of these Rosecomb (yes, I shorten that with RC) Barnie juveniles. I used a pretty good looking boy (I'll try to take a pic of him too) back to his RC Mom and Sister. The Type is there and the lacing should be because it's really good in the sister. Egg color on one of them isn't too bad. About the same as my other regular Barnies. One of the eggs is a little light.

I have no idea what's gonna happen with the BLRW cockerel over the two RC Barnies. I have a pair of BLRWs so I figured, what the heck, since the both have RC and they BLRW has lacing, I figured I'd give it a try. It's just the first mating, so it's more a curiosity experiment than anything.

God Bless,

The BLRW is what I used to make my blues. It has taken me a few generations to breed out the brassy hackles/saddles in the males and the single lacing. Some still have a bit too much bottom fluff from the wyandotte, but each year they are improving. BLRW are pretty close in base color genetics to the Barnevelder with really only 2 differences. Outcrossing to get the blue will be a step back from where you are at, but not in a big way. It may take maybe 3 generations or so and you should start getting some pretty good birds again.


I just took out the 2nd "load" of chicks from my bator and took them to the brooder. So far 47 have hatched with about 16 more to go. I just grabbed some of fluffiest ones to make room...it was really crowded in the bator, LOL.



Lately the first to hatch seem to be mostly girls. The first group I took from the bator last night had 14 girls and 2 boys. The second group this morning was mostly boys ( I didn't count them though).

I cooked up over a 100 eggs yesterday that were too old to sell and fed them to the dogs and chickens. I have been getting about 2 dozen eggs per day...way more than we can eat LOL. My neighbors are well supplied too.

My blue broody hen is being a great mother to her 12 babies. A Coopers hawk was after her 3 week old babies and a group of 10 six week olds. The babies all hid in my bushes while the momma hen went after the hawk. She kept leaping up at a oak tree trying to get the hawk. Her wing is clipped so she didn't make it that high, but was pretty much trying to climb the tree and screaming "bloody murder" the whole time. The dogs joined in barking and the hawk gave up and flew away.

Trisha

 

[Helen in the Desert]

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Here is a picture of the 2 patterns i am seeing. Double lacing on the left and penciled pattern on the right. These chicks are 4 weeks old, there are boys and girls of each. So, this is what i did to get here:
YEAR 1) SPR roo X Barnie hen = Silver females
YEAR 2) Silver females X Barnie roo = split males (maybe there was a silver one but i couldnt tell and I keep 8 of them for 6 months! So judging by my results I'm assuming the one i picked was a split)
YEAR 3) Split male X Silver females from the first cross = ?
Out of the 4 dozen or so chicks, 12 were brown females(pretty sure all females), i sold them right away. Now 2/3 of what I have left are boys! 1/2 of all the chicks (boys and girls combined) have a pattern like a young Barnie and 1/2 of them have a penciled look. So, i'm wondering if i can safely sell the penciled ones now. I don't want to keep any of them longer than I have too because I'm worried about overcrowding.

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What kind is SPR - I get the Silver Pencil - just not the R

 

[Helen in the Desert]

Oh, Duh. Silver Penciled Rock.

 

[BantamCastle]

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Here is a picture of the 2 patterns i am seeing. Double lacing on the left and penciled pattern on the right. These chicks are 4 weeks old, there are boys and girls of each. So, this is what i did to get here: YEAR 1) SPR roo X Barnie hen = Silver females YEAR 2) Silver females X Barnie roo = split males (maybe there was a silver one but i couldnt tell and I keep 8 of them for 6 months! So judging by my results I'm assuming the one i picked was a split) YEAR 3) Split male X Silver females from the first cross = ? Out of the 4 dozen or so chicks, 12 were brown females(pretty sure all females), i sold them right away. Now 2/3 of what I have left are boys! 1/2 of all the chicks (boys and girls combined) have a pattern like a young Barnie and 1/2 of them have a penciled look. So, i'm wondering if i can safely sell the penciled ones now. I don't want to keep any of them longer than I have too because I'm worried about overcrowding.

Donna, Well it sure looks like you've done a great job already. Your Year 2 would produce only split silver males so no loss there. As for the penciled vs double laced debate, I wouldn't be so sure to discard the birds patterned like the one on the right. I have had birds that look just like that turn into nice Barnies. I probably wouldn't call them penciled yet. From the breeding you have described there is a strong probability that penciled hasn't shown up yet. Depending on the split rooster you chose whether it was Ml/Ml or Ml/ml (no way to tell) you would have either 1/2 Ml/Ml, 1/2 Ml/ml (as I suspect) or 1/4 Ml/Ml, 1/2 Ml/ml, and 1/4 ml/ml since the hens are certain to be Ml/ml. When a bird is Ml/ml it looks double laced since Melanotic is dominant. Also, I always associate penciled with having white heads. That said, you know your birds much better than I do, if you want to purify your line of ml and you are confident the 'right' birds are penciled go for it. Keep up the great work! ~Al

 

[RachaelS]

Does anyone know of anyone in TX that has Silver Barnies? Saw this post, asked for pics just because, never heard back, hmmmmmm....

http://austin.craigslist.org/grd/3807225785.html

 

[tls_ranch]

Does anyone know of anyone in TX that has Silver Barnies?  Saw this post, asked for pics just because, never heard back, hmmmmmm....

http://austin.craigslist.org/grd/3807225785.html

Well, at least one pic is of a hen in Ireland taken right from the wiki barnie page. I am not sure, but the other pic may be from Austrailia...I think I saw it on another forum. I am a bit confused to what seller is talking about black double laced, gold double laced and partridge doubled laced???? They are making them sound like completely different recognized or standard Barnevelder colors. In reality they are most likely poorly patterened and colored. Maybe off colored/ patterned culls from a silver and blue project?

Trisha

 

[buckabucka]

Wow. I looked at that link and thought, nice birds! I do see the photo now on the wiki page. Slightly cropped, but definitely the same photo.

 

[Tailfeathers]

Thanks Trisha. I'll keep that in mind!

God Bless,