Barnevelder breeders lets work together and improve the breed

[Chickenman76]

Snapped a couple baby pictures today:






The two little ones are from tls_ranch. They're a week and a half old, standard laced. I hatched 15 out of 17 eggs. 13 chicks have survived so far.

Can we say rooster?



These two big kids are from pickledchicken. I think these guys are about 4 weeks old (he hatched them). He shipped me 12, I'm down to 11. They carry the blue gene. Question: When can you tell if they are blue laced? Should their feathers already be coming in blue? I'm guessing I got all standards if that's the case, but there's still the chance of getting it on future breedings.

Time is flying and crawling at the same time. I want these kids to grow up so I can see what they'll look like. lol

 

[RachaelS]

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Still a good one to have

 

[sherpagirl]

ANOTHER SILVER CULLING QUESTION

You know those little leg feathers that pop up on the cockerels now and then? Do you cull that bird even if he has the best silver color?

Donna

 

[Helen in the Desert]

All of my barni eggs from my poor departed roo are clear. Anyone with an extra roo in the So Cal area?

 

[mountainvieworchards]

Hi Helen I could send you some cockerels. I have a ton this year.

Andy

 

[mountainvieworchards]

ANOTHER SILVER CULLING QUESTION

You know those little leg feathers that pop up on the cockerels now and then? Do you cull that bird even if he has the best silver color?

Donna

That is a really good question Donna. It took me a long time to get rid of stubs in between the toes but you may be talking about shank feathers, which may be easier. I had an easier time getting rid of shank feathers with my Sussex but I always culled a bird with this and never bred from it.

You could test mate him while he is young and then cull him asap. That way you will find out the answer to your question and have minimal amount of investment in him and if it works out you will have better silver genetics. That is the sort of hedge I do all the time, its rarely all or nothing with me when it comes to breeding chickens. Breed 'em band 'em and cull 'em and and take notes.

Andy

 

[cvandermerwe]

If they show blue then they carry the blue gene. If they are standard/ black they wont carry it. You should be able to see blue at this age. Are any of the 24 chicks blue? You can post pics of their wings if you can't tell and then maybe we can help.

Trisha

Trisha,

So just to be clear, you are saying that a bird that does not show blue will never pass the blue gene on? So if I took a normal/black roo and hen from your blue line they would never throw blue again? I would have thought at the very least that blue would be recessive, but I am not a chicken color geneticist!

In the same thought, is it possible for a normal/black barnie from a blue line to carry so little blue that you would have a hard time seeing it, or are they BLUE or normal/black?

Sorry if the question seems dumb, just trying to make sure I understand how this blue line is going to go for me.

C.J.

 

[pysankigirl]

Trisha,

So just to be clear, you are saying that a bird that does not show blue will never pass the blue gene on? So if I took a normal/black roo and hen from your blue line they would never throw blue again? I would have thought at the very least that blue would be recessive, but I am not a chicken color geneticist!

In the same thought, is it possible for a normal/black barnie from a blue line to carry so little blue that you would have a hard time seeing it, or are they BLUE or normal/black?

Sorry if the question seems dumb, just trying to make sure I understand how this blue line is going to go for me.

C.J.

the blue is a black diluter like BBS. so a black roo from blue lines does not have a copy of the blue gene. a blue roo would have one copy of the gene and a splash roo would have two copies.

if you put a normal black roo with a blue hen you would get 50% blue chicks and 50% would be black. if you put a blue roo with a blue hen you would still only get 50% blue chicks but 25% would be black and 25% would be splash (even more diluted than blue) now if you put a black roo with a splash hen or vice versa they would be 100% blue because they would all have only one copy of the gene...from the splash... but nothing from the black parent.

the blue is not a recessive gene...when there is only one copy then that is when you see the blue. that's why blue can never breed true.

 

[tls_ranch]

Trisha,

So just to be clear, you are saying that a bird that does not show blue will never pass the blue gene on?  So if I took a normal/black roo and hen from your blue line they would never throw blue again?  I would have thought at the very least that blue would be recessive, but I am not a chicken color geneticist!

In the same thought, is it possible for a normal/black barnie from a blue line to carry so little blue that you would have a hard time seeing it, or are they BLUE or normal/black?

Sorry if the question seems dumb, just trying to make sure I understand how this blue line is going to go for me. 

C.J.

the blue is a black diluter like BBS.  so a black roo from blue lines does not have a copy of the blue gene.  a blue roo would have one copy of the gene and a splash roo would have two copies.

if you put a normal black roo with a blue hen you would get 50% blue chicks and 50% would be black.  if you put a blue roo with a blue hen you would still only get 50% blue chicks but 25% would be black and 25% would be splash (even more diluted than blue)  now if you put a black roo with a splash hen or vice versa they would be 100% blue because they would all have only one copy of the gene...from the splash... but nothing from the black parent.

the blue is not a recessive gene...when there is only one copy then that is when you see the blue.  that's why blue can never breed true.

Good answer if a bird is carrying blue...it will show some how. But, sometimes it can be hard to tell in young chicks.

Trisha

 

[cvandermerwe]

the blue is not a recessive gene...when there is only one copy then that is when you see the blue. that's why blue can never breed true.

Thank you for the explanation and education. I learned something today!