Barred chicken genetics

[Peafowlssssssss]

I have been reading about barred chickens genetics and got some ideas, but still haven't understood everything yet and especially how it works with different chicken colors, i tried to understand the colors genetics but i still don't understand them, so here is my question if i have a barred male like this male:

And mated him with these hens colors, white, brown, light brown, white(like the pictured hen) and black hens. What the results will be?
My goal is to get chicks the same colors as their father and wanted to get different barred colors in the future.

 

[Lady of McCamley]

Barring is almost always dominant, unless you breed to dominant white, which covers everything.

Since you chose the barred male to breed, all offspring will be barred, both genders...unless you've got a dominant white. However, the hen pictured appears to be columbian, and likely silver based, or possible non-dominant white, so you could still end up up with all barred chicks...meaning black chicks with white dots that grow into barred birds.

If your hen is dominant white (pretty sure she isn't), you will get from her yellow down chicks, who grow into white birds likely with some ghost barring, possibly some black specks here and there,

However....I can't get your photo of your rooster to enlarge, but he appears to be a bit dark, which leads me to believe he may be only single barred, and possibly incomplete at that, if he is a mixed bird. Mixes can give some surprises as the genes are a bit more muddied...so you could get barring with color leakage too.

Now if you changed that equation....bred a solid color rooster to a barred hen, you would create sex links...the boys would be barred, hatching as black chicks with a white head dot. The females would be all black, no barring, with color bleed through.

Again, assuming no dominant white in the white bird.

LofMc

 

[Indyshent]

Dominant white is leaky so some barred feathers would happen anyway in a heterozygous dominant white bird, but I don't suspect any of these birds carry dominant white anyway.

The mostly white hen carries silver, which masks gold (pheomelanin) and not black (eumelanin), and also Colombian, which prevents eumelanin from being in the body feathers (not hackles or tail, which still obviously have eumelanin, even though it's possibly been diluted to blue or lavender--can't quite tell in the picture). You can still get barred offspring from her but they might be harder to notice as Colombian is dominant and will cause only the hackles and tails to have black. I know many birds can express black in body feathers even with two copies of Colombian (such as silver laced birds) so the interplay of pattern and barring genes is certainly complex, though I still suspect her offspring will likely have white bodies and barred hackles and tails, like with Delaware chickens.

All of your hens look to be at least heterozygous for Colombian, so don't expect a lot of black in the body, though you'll probably get some pretty gold barred babies.

If your rooster is double factor barred, all of his offspring will be single barred, but he doesn't look double barred, so half of his kids are likely to be barred.

 

[Peafowlssssssss]

After reading about the double factor i think this rooster isn't double factor, he isn't that light, all these birds aren't mine they are for sale here and couldn't fine barred hens the same color as the rooster, that's why i was looking for a way to breed hens the same color as the rooster.

The guy selling the rooster has many like him so when i go to pick one or two i will choose the lightest, he also has barred roosters with few orange color on their necks does this means they split to anything?

I was looking at the genetics calculator and trying few methods and i really like to get a barred buff chickens in the future but now I haven't find any buff hens.

What hens colors would you suggest to get with this rooster to breed different barred colors in the future? The calculator tells me the red hen but not sure if i'm using the calculator correctly.

Thanks both for your help I appreciate it.

 

[Lady of McCamley]

I personally would consider a different breeder.

With the options you've noted, it doesn't sound like they are pure breeds.

Breeding from mixed stock will make it much harder to predict results as the gene pool is already muddied.

 

[Peafowlssssssss]

Yeah many are mixed here, does this means i'm not going to get barred chicks from him at all if I mated him with these hens?

 

[Indyshent]

You'll get 50% barred and 50% solid chicks mating single barred rooster over solid hens. All of those roosters are likely black sex links (split barred and gold, usually RIR rooster over BR hens) which is why they're single barred and have gold bleed in the shoulders, hackles and saddles.

You can eventually get gold barred birds using this rooster and any of the gold hens, and you could weed them into a nice autosexing variety that way too, but using a single barred guy of mixed ancestry will make it a bit harder. Because he's most likely a BSL, you could even get red barred birds in that first generation (black beats gold, which is why BSL are black with only bits of gold peeking through instead of red barred)

 

[Peafowlssssssss]

That's what i was thinking of, i'm going to get two barred roosters one with the gold neck and pair him with gold hens and red hens, if he hatched me any barred gold chicks that would be more than great, thanks guys for your help.

 

[Lady of McCamley]

@q8peafowl

You may enjoy this read as you work through some genetics with your mixed breed birds.

Good luck with your project for red barred (golden crele) birds. It will take quite a bit of test setting to see what you've got. Be sure to keep good records and pure pens.

http://www.brahmacochin.org/poultry-breeding-genetics

 

[Peafowlssssssss]

That’s a very helpful link especially since i will start working with brahmas soon to get barred buff brahmas too. Do you think this hen is buff? Someone is selling it now.