Black and Blue Orps New Pictures

[DuckLady]

Just want to remind those already warned about another Orp thread that needed a warning by staff. I will quote it here.

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Just to reiterate, discussions are fine. snarky little backbiting slams are not. I hope I am perfectly clear.

 

[Zookeeper9000]

Well I for one would like a link to this yahoo site. I must of missed it before.

I also would like to know more info on the lavandar orps as well as the others (orp fan here).

Bama I just love those babies of yours I would have to keep both those roo's. I just hope that one day my orps will be as nice. Thanks for sharing.

 

[Krys109uk]

Sorry didn't mean to offend you Jody. I clearly misunderstood Charlie's post; it was rather a wordy sentence....but we all do those fom to time.
I rather thought it was pretty common knowledge amongst people in the US Orpington club what we had Lavenders & various other non standard colours which we've created or recreated since my moving to US.. In the light of having your post being sent to me thought I'd clarify.
I suppose it was misplaced pride which made me pipe up when told that people were claiming to have the only lavenders in USA & using it as sales pitch. As I've said previously poultry breeding is no longer my job & I'm not trying to sell any. I shall take pics if I take pics & shan't if I don't..... because at the end of the day,apart from for the sake of foolish pride, it matters not one whit whether anyone believes that I have what I say or whether people think I am inventing it for effect. I suppose one might better judge that by whether i know what I'm talking about or whether I don't.

Well for anyone who might be interested in makin your on lavenders I'd be only too happytowrite a recipe. Clearly if one is making a lavender from scratch one will need to nickthe lvender gene from another breed so the recipe, so to speak will have differnces. Do people in US hve porcelin coloured birds. that's one place to get a lavender gene. Porceline is most often on ey at the e-locus, orsometimes eb, birds &also have columbian. One would need to cross the very best exmple of extended black (E//E) of the breed of choice with the porcelaine. The first cross will be heterozygous extended black, their black plumage may have gold leakage, most especially on the males. Next cross the male F1 most conforming to type of desired breed with the best F1 females. from this cross approx 25% of the F2s will be homozygous for lavender....& from this point one needs to start clearing up the mess. There will be lots of unwanted genes to eliminate. Certainly for a few genertions one could just cross any homozygous lavenders back to really typey extended blacks of the breed of choice the breeding their offspring together to regain the lavender, eliminating the strange mess colours by eye along the way. Sooner or later, probably when one has type somewhet near desirable, one would probably want to test test mating to properly eliminate the undesirable recessive genes. To do this one merely mates ones prospective breeding stock to ny bird which is homozygous for the undesirable recessive trait. Obviously the bird being tested will only throw offspring of the undesirable recessive trait if that bird is heterozygous for the undesirable recessive gene.
Sometimes genetics is not the easiest thing to explain. So I suppose that my description might be only as clear as mud. If anyone is going to make lavender birds using extended black on porcelain then I could be a lot more specific about the messes one might expect LOL.

 

[EweSheep]

Welcome Krys!

All that genetic mumbo jumbo confuses me but I am certain folks will try the recipe and go from there. There is alot of work for us as Orpington breeders to improve on and I would say within 10 years we should be there or getting better!

I, too, am a member of the Orp Club here in US. It has been fun tho!

I have no intention of raising Lavendar Orps in both sizes but I would not mind having one or two for eye candy! My main is raising Blue, Black and Splash and hopefully Mottled Orps in LF and BF.

Please do post pics if and when you do go back to UK!

 

[Buster]

I am so glad that Julie and Charlie and Jody show us pics regularly of their beautiful birds. It really doesn't matter to me who has what or if they have the only ones. What matters to me is that I like the looks of their birds and I really look forward to having some of my own as they become available. I already have a descendant of Julie's lines of BBS orps and can't wait to own more.

Thanks again guys for sharing your animals with us!

 

[BamaChicken]

Well let's face it. We all looovveee looking at picutures of the Orps.
I am so glad Krys is here to help with the genetics things. I know i am very new to this but so fasinated with possibilites of having some more colors of this breed here in the US.

Glad we have so many interested in the Breed now and maybe breeding for type also. It is really a fun hobby.

Now I have to say maybe my favorite eyecandy is the Golden Laced Orps. They are just so pretty they don't even look real.

Krys, what is your opionion on the best breed in the GL color to cross to get the gene going or does it work that way? Excuse my ignorance in this. My guess would be use buff Orps with whatever GL colored bird that would be best. Do you think the feathered legs of the cochin would be to hard to breed out?

 

[KKluckers]

Welcome Krys, glad you are here~! This is one really knowledgeable lady

 

[kstaven]

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I'm a little confused Krys Your first paragraph says you recreated lavender Orps after coming to the US. Second section asks if there are porcelaine birds in the US.

 

[Krys109uk]

Hello Kstaven,
I'm sorry, I can see that what I wrote was confusing. I didn't mean to imply hat I'd used a porcelain anything to get my lavender genes. But, because I'm not really au fait with what colours are readily available in USA I suggested porcelain as an example of a possible source of a lavender gene as lavender, to my knowledge, is not a particularly abundant gene in USA. . Really the important thing is to scource a lavender gene, not to argue about where one may or not hve found it. Porcelain is a scource of lavender. Of course, in the case of Orps, if one can source lavender on extended back so much the better...
as regards where I got mine.Some rather rude things have been implied...so for those who are that interested (I cannot imagine why) I shall explain...
I have had discussions with top class & small time breeders from all over the world, including USA, for many years. Luckily, with the kindness of many US breeders & at their own expense, we recieved offers of many birds & eggs. It might be a point of inerest to explain that I know of at least three 9off the top of my head) other people in US with Lavenders. Indeed, the son of the lady, In Britain, to whom I gave my Lavender beeding stock, just happens to live on the East Coast of USA. I was offered lavenders cockerels from two different people within a short space of time. It is not my place to question where they got their lavender genes; all that is important to me was that we'd got our new stock in he USA.
Hope this clarifies
Krys

 

[Zookeeper9000]

Krys, Thanks for taking your time to help with this as I am very ignorant on genes.

If I understand this right you find your lavandar source a roo and you breed him to the best black orp female you can find out of black/blue lines (not splash or is splash ok too)

Then you take the black hens from that hatch and breed the best of them back to the same lavandar roo.

Than I am kind of lost but I know at that point you only breed the ones with the body type you want. But at what point do the lavandars show and who do you breed to what next

I am sorry, I really am trying to understand this. I raised blue and black greatdanes with a 7 and 8 generation color pure pedigree (unheard of in todays danes) so I do understand some of the context but I want to be sure. Orps and dorkings are my breeds of choice.

Thank you again