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[casportpony]

Is that from/for the USA @casportpony?

The study or the pdf?

 

[NancyNurseCxMama]

Here's a TMI article that some (like me) might find interesting. It's from 2015 so I'm not sure it's entirely up-to-date but it seems that Ivermectin is not approved for use in laying hens.
https://vet.osu.edu/sites/vet.osu.e...ng the treatment of backyard poultry 2015.pdf

 

[casportpony]

Here's a TMI article that some (like me) might find interesting. It's from 2015 so I'm not sure it's entirely up-to-date but it seems that Ivermectin is not approved for use in laying hens.
https://vet.osu.edu/sites/vet.osu.edu/files/documents/extension/Egg residue considerations during the treatment of backyard poultry 2015.pdf

I love that article!

I think the confusion is in the "not approved for laying hens". Not approved for use does not mean that it cannot be used. Other than the drugs that are *banned*, *any* human or veterinary drug *can* be used when prescribed by a veterinarian.

Has anyone seen an official document that says different?

 

[aart]

The study or the pdf?

Never mind......was looking then typing too fast without thinking first.

 

[Jackie D]

My 60-odd chooks have become infested with Northern Fowl Mite.
While the chooks themselves look healthy, cheerful & are laying well, the ground wherever they have been is heavily infested. They are freerun birds, so my carport, yard, their houses etc were all crawling. I have sprayed these areas.
And boy, can those mites BITE!
My vet recommended Eprinex, between 3 and 5 drops on a bare patch of skin for each bird, depending on their size.
As I did them it became evident only a few chooks had eggs on the fluff around their feather bases, most had nothing visible.
The vet said Eprinex would not treat the scaly leg mite or internal parasites, and I did not think to ask about red mite. I see on this thread information to the contrary. Does anyone know for sure?
The vet also said a 7day withholding period for eggs, again contrary to advice here.
And I did not ask her about when to do a repeat treatment for when new mite eggs hatch - anyone know about this?

 

[casportpony]

The vet said Eprinex would not treat the scaly leg mite or internal parasites, and I did not think to ask about red mite. I see on this thread information to the contrary. Does anyone know for sure?

She's probably right about internal parasites. I've used ivermectin to treat scaley leg mites in mine, but it might not work for everyone.

The vet also said a 7day withholding period for eggs, again contrary to advice here.
And I did not ask her about when to do a repeat treatment for when new eggs hatch - anyone know about this?

All kinds of opinions on egg withdrawal. Your vet says 7 days, someone else's says 14 days, and a vet on a FB page says 8 weeks. I think my vet would probably say 4 weeks.

 

[casportpony]

Those that like the TMI articles and web pages might like this:
https://www.avma.org/KB/Resources/FAQs/Pages/ELDU-and-AMDUCA-FAQs.aspx

 

[EggSighted4Life]

As I did them it became evident only a few chooks had eggs on the fluff around their feather bases, most had nothing visible.

Studies conducted in California flocks showed that 90% of the parasites were on 10% of the birds within the same flock.

Some will have better resistance than others. Those who show continual low resistance will be culled from my flock.

All I can say is that Permethrin is VERY effective against NFM. My vet says for us, NFM and lice are our biggest regional issues. Which is not to say others don't exist. He also said when you have a large flock like that.. things become much less seasonal and more of a need for continual vigilance. IMO, anything that treats NFM will also work on red roost mites as they are a surface dweller and not systemic. Scaly leg mites and depluming mites as well as internal parasites need to be treated with systemic drugs IF your going to use them.

I don't know what Eprinex is. But I think Ivermectin is a bovine dewormer. Of course not all wormers treat all worms. So knowing your enemy AND your drug is key. But I'm not about to let things slide by me when I have google just as much as anyone else!

What I found regarding the eprinex on a goverment website..
https://dailymed.nlm.nih.gov/dailymed/archives/fdaDrugInfo.cfm?archiveid=26950

"When used according to label directions, neither a pre-slaughter drug withdrawal period nor a milk discard time is required, therefore, meat and milk from cattle treated with IVOMEC EPRINEX (eprinomectin) Pour-On may be used for human consumption at any time following treatment."

https://www.drugs.com/vet/ivomec-eprinex-pour-on-for-beef-and-dairy-cattle.html

"Residue Information: When used according to label directions, neither a pre-slaughter drug withdrawal period nor a milk discard time is required, therefore, meat and milk from cattle treated with IVOMEC EPRINEX (eprinomectin) Pour-On may be used for human consumption at any time following treatment.

Do not use in calves intended for veal or unapproved animal species as severe adverse reaction, including fatalities in dogs, may result."

Looks like it will treat round worm and lung worm as far as internal parasites.

 

[casportpony]

I don't know what Eprinex is. But I think Ivermectin is a bovine dewormer. Of course not all wormers treat all worms. So knowing your enemy AND your drug is key. But I'm not about to let things slide by me when I have google just as much as anyone else!

What I found regarding the eprinex on a goverment website..
https://dailymed.nlm.nih.gov/dailymed/archives/fdaDrugInfo.cfm?archiveid=26950

"When used according to label directions, neither a pre-slaughter drug withdrawal period nor a milk discard time is required, therefore, meat and milk from cattle treated with IVOMEC EPRINEX (eprinomectin) Pour-On may be used for human consumption at any time following treatment."

https://www.drugs.com/vet/ivomec-eprinex-pour-on-for-beef-and-dairy-cattle.html

"Residue Information: When used according to label directions, neither a pre-slaughter drug withdrawal period nor a milk discard time is required, therefore, meat and milk from cattle treated with IVOMEC EPRINEX (eprinomectin) Pour-On may be used for human consumption at any time following treatment.

Do not use in calves intended for veal or unapproved animal species as severe adverse reaction, including fatalities in dogs, may result."

Looks like it will treat round worm and lung worm as far as internal parasites.

Did you find anything specific to poultry?

 

[Jackie D]

Eggsited4life - Thankyou so much. Vet here - and I'm in New Zealand - said Ivermectin has not been officially approved for poultry, but is widely used, hence extra precautions like egg-withholding. Interesting the warnings re dogs!