Too early to tell. Wait until the Juve molt to see how much color you end up with.
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I hatched some BCM eggs on 10/16. This is my first time having marans, so lots to learn. Anyways, this little guy (I'm assuming cockariel) is starting to show copper on it's wings. Is this typical of males at such a young age or too early to tell sex? He stands very upright even for 6 days old.
The copper on wing tells you two things. 1) that his is carrying a recessive color patterns. The the ideal color pattern for BCM's is the birchen color pattern (denoted as eR in the genetics short hand). Correct colored BCM lines how ever can be build on the Extended black color pattern (E) with the right color modifiers. When you have a "complete" bird they have inherited the dominate color pattern from both parents [eR/eR], or [E/E]. When you have an incomplete they have inherited the dominate color patterns from on parent and a recessive color patterns from the other. The common recessive color patterns in the CLB are the partidge brown color patter (eb) and the wheaten color pattern (eWh). The wild type color patterns (e+) is also possible but less common. Red in the wings is an indication that you have an incomplete. He could be carrying a recessive color pattern. These incompletes are often all black chicks with no white on their face. Yours looks to have a fair amount of white on his face so the red could just be a color modify like autosomal red (AR) but I would test mate him to see what he is carrying if plan on doing any breeding with him. Soo...2) Birchen (eR) based birds have less black pigment in them that the extended black birds [E] do. Genetically the Birchen color patter was created by an insertion mutation in the genetic code that created black pigment in the plumage. The Extended black color pattern was a double insertion of this mutation into the genetic code. So extended black birds require much stronger color enhancers to create a black copper bird than Birchen does. As a result recessive primary color patterns under the extended black are covered better than they are under the Birchen color pattern. The red lacing in the wings can usually be seen at 2-3 days old in the Birchen Based birds but usually can't be seen until the bird is more than a week old in the extended black bird. Since having both extended black and Birchen in your flock make it impossible to get consistent copper color in your flock one of the first things that most breeders need to do to clean up a line is to test mate birds for extended black and cull it out. Since your bird is showing red at less than a week that is a good indication that is is Birchen based (which is good news for your flock) with a recessive color patterns.
As far as sexing BCM's at a young age goes. I feel it is best to wait until they are 3-6 weeks old to sex. Some breed in fast feathering genes so that they can feather sex chicks at three days old. I know one lady that claimed that after 4 years of selection for the fast feathering that she was getting about a 85% of the her chicks correct sexed at 3-4 days old. Crossing with other lines how ever ruin this trait so for most people it is best to just wait. You can predict a lot correctly at less than a week old, but you can also predict a lot that are wrong. I would rather wait than get it wrong.
Thanks for the information! It was very, very helpful. There are currently 6 chicks showing copper on the wings. 19 hatched total. All of the chicks have the same father and I believe there were 2 or 3 hens that provided the fertile eggs. I have noticed that some of the chicks do have darker faces. You can see one behind the chick in question in the first picture. I don't plan on doing any breeding - they're just for eggs and, well, pets. I'll keep one Rooster if he grows to be docile. I do plan on keeping them all until the sex is obvious ( 3 - 6 weeks like you mentioned or longer if need be).
Do genetics play a part in egg color as well? If hens, do chicks typically grow to lay the same color egg they hatched out of? I noticed that same BCM eggs are a very dark chocolate and others are more russet. I know cycle plays a part in egg color as well.

If you aren't breeding these guys then the red in the wings is really not of any concern. If you keep on cockerel you will be tempted to breed them as some point though. Chickens are very addicting.
Yes...genetics play in to egg color. The Marans egg color is not an exact science though. Some people swear that the the egg color is sex-linked and inherited in the hen from the father only or recessive and only inherited if both the mother and the father have the same recessive gene. Early on I got a Dark BCM egg from a breeder that hatched with a dominate white color which could only have been fathered by a rooster from a dominate white variety that we suspected to be a white leghorn. While that hens didn't lay as dark as the pure Marans she did lay a darker egg than a Rhode Island Red or other brown egg layer proving that the dark egg genes are not all sex-linked and not all recessive. That hen was our best layer. She laid 275 Jumbo brown eggs. We liked her so much that we breed her one of our non-brown egg breed cockbirds and her daughter also laid eggs that were darker brown than a Rhode Island Red. On breeder who has been working with Marans for 12+ years and had Marans in every variety you can fiend told me that she has regained dark color in breeding line both from crosses to cockerels and crosses to hens. So it would appear that both the hens and the cockerel contribute equally to the dark egg color. The tricky part is that the cockerels don't lay eggs so it is more difficult to evaluate a cockerels contribution to the mix than the hens. To evaluate a cockerels contribution the most sound method is what is called progeny testing. Basically you pair a potential breeding cockerel with a hen with an established egg color (this can be a Marans hen, a light brown egg laying barred plymouth rock, etc.). They you grow out a test group of 5-6 pullets and when they start laying their are evaluation and calculation that are carried out to average the know dame's egg color with the egg color of each pullet and then to average the range of values from each pullet to assign a value to the cockerel. This is obviously a lot of work but well worth it in the long run. If you have 3-4 potential cockerels at 5-6 months old you can pair then with hens and 6-7 months later you can start evaluating their egg color numbers. If you have one that is contributing a #7 egg color to the offspring and two that are contributing a #5 your can cull the two that are contributing the #5 and at 12 months old you have a proven #7 cockerel to keep as your next breeding cock. By doing this you get better gains in the egg color. If you are just breed cockerels based on type you may go round and round in circles on the egg color with only marginal improvements. Now to make this more complicated I read an article by a German breeder and he said that he got hatching eggs and grew out pullets and when they started laying kept the ones that were laying the darkest eggs and sold the rest to a friend. His friend likewise kept the hens that were laying the darkest eggs and sold the rest to some one else. They following year this breeder visited the flock of the 3rd person and reported than the 3rd flock was producing offspring that laid much much darker eggs than his or his friends flock flock. So...like I said Marans egg color is not an exact science.
So...NO!!! Chicks don't typically lay the egg color that they hatch out of unless they are from breeding line that has been breed to closely related birds from the same breeding line for multiple generations to the point that every bird in the flock lays nearly identical egg color. If two unrelated birds are breed together the out come can be very unpredictable and very wide ranges. I had old breeding line that the lady I got them from had breed for 5 years from one set of hatching eggs and the person that she got her stock from developed the line from one cockerel and one line of closely related hens. All the hens in that line a #6 egg at the beginning of their laying cycle, but colors varied at different points in their laying cycle. The more eggs the laid the lighter the egg color got. The hens that laid 6 eggs a week would have their eggs get lighter quicker than the hens that only laid 3 eggs a week (but at the 10th egg each hens would be about the same color). I had another line that was bread over 4 years that was created from stock from a half dozen different bloodlines. Egg color in that line were not consistent at all. The while the russet hue was the same on ever egg in the old pure line I would find 3-4 different hues in the mixed line. I also would have some that only laid a #4 and the beginning of their laying cycle and some that would lay #8 at the beginning of their laying cycle. Some would have color fade as they got further into their laying cycle like my old line would and others would see a small initial drop after the first week or two of laying, but then hold that color consistently at the rate of 6 eggs a week all they way to end the end of the laying season.
So..
Example #1: My Marans X While Leghorn hens hatched from a #6 Marans egg and the darkest egg color she ever laid was a #4.
Example #2: My first Marans hens never laid eggs darker than a #5. Her eggs would fade to a light as a #3 (I know less that a #4 means that she didn't meet the Marans standard of perfection. Don't tell anyone). From some of those #3 eggs I got hens that laid #6 eggs at the beginning of their laying cycle.
Example #3: From my mixed line I had a Hen that laid #8 eggs at the beginning of her laying cycle that was still laying #6 and occasionally a #7 egg all the way to the end of her laying cycle. None of her offspring ever laid #8 eggs at the beginning of their laying cycle. More significant though was that some laid even solid colored eggs while others laid eggs with dark brown freckles but with a lighter base color. Some laid a more brow hue of egg color and others laid a more red hue of eggs.
If you have nothing else to go on, then the egg color that they hatch from is what you had to use for your starting point, but that tells you less than half of what is going on with the breeding pair so a researcher would not accept that as a good measurement and hobby breeders that are serious about improving egg color at a minimum will know what range of egg color each hen in their breeding pens is laying over a full laying season multiple laying seasons and those that are doing more than that will know the range of egg color for the offspring or each cock and egg color contribution of every cock bird in their breeding pens is contributing too.

So tell me ab ur white leghorn marans crosses. Egg color? Size? How many eggs do they lay a year?![]()
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We are not sure of the parentage of the Marans mix. We got a grabbad of eggs from a breeder who has 5-6 varrieties of marans and 500 chickens one her property form dozens of breeds. Her grandchildren had collected eggs the week end that we visited this breed and left them in the barn. So the eggs could have been from any pen or breed but the photo below are the eggs that we set.
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The Marans mix hatched from on the of the eggs on the back two rows. The breeder told us she didn't think it was possible for the father to be a white leghorn, but she had not idea what could have come out dominate white from those eggs and she did have white leghorns on the property and things do happen.
This was a fall hatch, We visited this breeder in search for a cockerel to replace the one that we lost ot heat on a day that recoreded 112 deg F tempuratures in our town. The breeder didn't have any cockerels that week liked so we took the grab bag of eggs as a consolation.
We did a daily egg record and recorded 274 eggs for the mixed dominate white Marans. Her eggs were the biggest in our flock. I don't remember the exact weights be thing they were 72 +/- 2 grams once they were up to full sized eggs. She laid strong for three laying seasons.
Her egg color was typically like the egg labeled Jasmine below. Jasmine was out first BCM hen. She never laid darker than a #5 and her eggs faded to a #3 at the end of the laying cycle. Some days our Marans mix laid darker eggs than Jasmine did. For comparison in a #6 Marans pullet egg on the front row. The two eggs on the back row are both Marans mixes with white egg laying breeds.
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