Black Copper Marans discussion thread

UThobbyfarmer

Crowing
7 Years
May 29, 2013
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I have a question. At what age do they get their reddish bay eyes? Thank you
That's something I'm working on with my birds. Very dark eyes stay dark unfortunately. But olive colored eyes change to orange. I remember it happening very slowly. Starting around 2 months and finished by 5-6 months. Hopefully someone more experienced will speak up and correct me if I'm wrong.
 

MotherCluckingHenHouse

In the Brooder
Jul 24, 2020
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I was sold two black copper marans but looking at both of mine I'm seeing some inconsistencies. To me my rooster, Ozzy, has BEAUTIFUL color developing. However the hackle feathers are more of a straw color and his saddle feathers coming in are not the reddish copper color. My pullet, Sharon, has no copper color coming through yet and her feathers seem to have a dark grey tint with black at the ends.

If I breed them do I still sell them as black copper marans? I don't want people to think they are getting one thing and get another. They are both right at 18 weeks.

Here is Ozzy and SHARON!
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kcrandall

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I am sorry to say that neither is a pure BCM. Ozzy looks to be a Silver Black (Birchen) Marans with gold leakage. IMO Ozzy is not a breeder. Silver and Gold genes do not mix well in the breeding pen.

Sharon looks to be a Blue Marans (solid blue variety) or a Blue Cooper Marans that is not expressing any copper in her hackles. If Sharon is from the same breeder then I would suspect that she is of mixed Marans variety too.

I cannot tell from the pics but does either bird have feathered legs? If not then they may not be pure Marans at all.

If you just want pet chickens then they are fine but should not be breed or advertised as purebred Marans.

Sorry to the bearer of bad news.
Keith
 

MotherCluckingHenHouse

In the Brooder
Jul 24, 2020
17
8
16
I am sorry to say that neither is a pure BCM. Ozzy looks to be a Silver Black (Birchen) Marans with gold leakage. IMO Ozzy is not a breeder. Silver and Gold genes do not mix well in the breeding pen.

Sharon looks to be a Blue Marans (solid blue variety) or a Blue Cooper Marans that is not expressing any copper in her hackles. If Sharon is from the same breeder then I would suspect that she is of mixed Marans variety too.

I cannot tell from the pics but does either bird have feathered legs? If not then they may not be pure Marans at all.

If you just want pet chickens then they are fine but should not be breed or advertised as purebred Marans.

Sorry to the bearer of bad news.
Keith
Thank you, that is what I needed to know. Sharon does have feathered legs. I will wait a few years and start with new Marans. I love these two too much to do that now. Will he still be good to make olive eggers?
 

kcrandall

Songster
Nov 16, 2015
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Thank you, that is what I needed to know. Sharon does have feathered legs. I will wait a few years and start with new Marans. I love these two too much to do that now. Will he still be good to make olive eggers?
Yes, both Ozzy and Sharon would work fine in an OE Pen. If you ever want to seriously breed Marans I would suggest joining on the Marans Clubs in the US - thwy both have Breeder Directories so you may find someone in your area.

Take Care,
Keith
 

kcrandall

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Nov 16, 2015
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Thank you! I will definitely check it out!
Marans are very difficult to bred true kind of like a Rubik’s Cube that you can never solve. Don’t get me wrong there are a good number of breeders that have very well bred Marans but it has taken them many years to achieve such success. The reason they are difficult to bred is because over 100 years ago they were created by mixing several different breeds (Langshams, Cochins, Old English Game) with various types and features that don’t necessarily play well together. If you want to learn more go to the International Black Copper Marans thread on BYC - there is a lot of good information.
 

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