Black Copper Marans discussion thread

[Arielle]

Copper on the chest-- I'm hoping Snowbird will say a few words here, but as in many things this is subject to personal opionion and preference.

I had a rooster that was nice BUT he was colored from chin to hocks in brown. He did not read the SOP I guess. I have looked at all my other boys and I have two with a quarter size area of brown under the chin area. THen I see it on a hen and think . . . .he is trying to fool me, you are really a cckl . . . I'll watch you!

( I am new to FBCM; I have learned afew things but still have a mountain to climb.)

 

[ashandvine]

I got a chick one time with a SOLID GREY legs.... just looked ODD. It was a roo so he left. I don't think I hatched any others with odd leg color. I guess anything can happen with genes getting mixed.

Well, its strange to me is all I am saying. These birds were out of lines that were supposed to be linked with well known names. They were free so I took the ones I liked well enough and any she was getting rid of so that they could be freezer fodder-- I HAVE to try them. I just wonder if I can grow out the boys long enough to make a meal for the whole family. Anyway, the eggs were all ordered by another woman who is looking to get into Marans in a big serious way. I don't know if this is just genetic hodgepodge coming out or if she got snookered or what. There's quite a variety in the group when you are looking for a standard, much less a perfect one, you know? She had a lot of melanized pullets, a few cockerels that were very straw colored, and one that I brought home that has a lot of red/copper on his chest-- most of him is this color. The biggest one I have does high step and I like that. They are only about 24/5 weeks. Still trying to make some sense of it.

 

[Oil Patch]

On the right side of the page. Recent images, select view all.

 

[3riverschick]

Where did that come from? Did I miss something/???

Hi,
I was surfing the gallery over at marans.org and saw the mistake is still here.
Best,
karen

 

[lonnyandrinda]

On the right side of the page. Recent images, select view all.

Are we both talking about the same website? I'm here: http://marans.org/ but I don't see "Recent images" anywhere on that page. Just
Links for

Shows - Meets, Shows, etc, for the Marans Chicken Club USA Members....
Development The club bylaws, guides for conformation, color, and club files ...
Events
Poultry Shows, Egg Shows, etc.

Tips & Links
Tips on poultry, health, etc

SOP
The Standard of Perfection
Regional Map

Then on the right an article about the eggs.

A little more direction on how to get to the gallery please?

 

[DMRippy]

Top RIGHT CORNER of THIS page has RECENT IMAGES that have been posted so you can just view the pics.

 

[lonnyandrinda]

LOL Duh to me... someone had mentioned the marans website so I thought there were pictures there. Thanks for dumbing it down for me.

Rinda

 

[DMRippy]

LOL Duh to me... someone had mentioned the marans website so I thought there were pictures there. Thanks for dumbing it down for me.

Rinda

I thought that too, till they posted it a second time and I figured it out.

 

[Arielle]

THis is what I have learned from years of breeding horses and sheep and I think it applies to chickens and other fowl too.

WIth in any group there is genetic variety. With selection they becomes more animals that look alike than don't, but extremes pop up regualrly. My flock of sheep had so many look alikes that I stopped naming and lived with numbered ear tags.

My point is that these marans Ashes that you are talking about could be good birds. THey may not habe been inbred enough to set the genes, and being a prti breed as I understand talking with DOn, there is the need to breed for roosters and another pen for breeding for hens. My understanding is that each will produce the idea hen OR rooster, but can not produce BOTH. So the males from the hen producing group will be a bit different than the males from the rooster producing group. ( I could be totally wrong here, but this is my understanding so far with this breed).

I remember seeing the Lipizzaner stallions from VIenna and was wowed. ALl these boys were clearly Lipizzaners, white coats, roman noses, high neck set. BUT when I looked at heach individual, they did vary. More bone, or less; wider chest or not as wide; you get my point. In any group there is variety and still be from good parent stock.

 

[snowbird]

Copper on the chest-- I'm hoping Snowbird will say a few words here, but as in many things this is subject to personal opionion and preference.

I had a rooster that was nice BUT he was colored from chin to hocks in brown. He did not read the SOP I guess. I have looked at all my other boys and I have two with a quarter size area of brown under the chin area. THen I see it on a hen and think . . . .he is trying to fool me, you are really a cckl . . . I'll watch you!

( I am new to FBCM; I have learned afew things but still have a mountain to climb.)

Arielle, Will try and help you here. These are my person thoughts and nothing more. In my breedings with the BC if you use the brown colored breasted Male you will end up mostly with culls and for that reason they should never be used in a BC breeding program. Most all the Faults you are seeing with your BC will breed forward . As you probably know I have harched and grew out more BC chicks than anyone else.

Will also say that you can use the Over-melanized females in your breeding program, just do not breed to one of the brown breasted males as you will be wasting your time. It is really hard on the new breeders as they have hatch mates to use as breeders and this is usually a recipe for failure. You are much better off if you just find a very nice Male and female that are not hatch mates and single mate them and start your own breeding program and cull any that are culls , do not pass the cull on to someone else like some on BYC appear to be doing. We have to remember that what comes around goes around and will come back to bite us in the long run.