Black Copper Marans discussion thread

[upthecreek]

Just so everyone knows. It is absolutely normal to get BC, Mahogany and wheat from the breeding of BC Marans. This was the reason they could not go into the APA as Brown Red like in France.

Thank You Lord and Snowbird ....... i thought i would never see the Day when someone would tell the Truth about the results of breeding the Black Copper Marans concerning Wheaton , Black Copper and Mahogany !!!

Over the years I have been raked over the coals , reprimanded and scrutinized by the experts over this very thing over on the "Marans Chicken Club" (i finally just gave up and got out .............) .

Thank You
James Shannon Nelson

 

[Zanna]

Here are some pics of a breeding I did this year....... Cockeral was culled due to white underfluff and white in tail but wanted to do the experimental breeding first. Not sure if you would call the little cockerals straw coloured or not but they are really light. Cock and Hen are Mother/Son. The last pic. is just to compare colour in same conditions (completely different breeding).

 

[snowbird]

Here are some pics of a breeding I did this year....... Cockeral was culled due to white underfluff and white in tail but wanted to do the experimental breeding first. Not sure if you would call the little cockerals straw coloured or not but they are really light. Cock and Hen are Mother/Son. The last pic. is just to compare colour in same conditions (completely different breeding).

I really like the female in the last picture and her nice long Back

 

[desertmarcy]

Thank You Lord and Snowbird ....... i thought i would never see the Day when someone would tell the Truth about the results of breeding the Black Copper Marans concerning Wheaton , Black Copper and Mahogany !!!

Over the years I have been raked over the coals , reprimanded and scrutinized by the experts over this very thing over on the "Marans Chicken Club" (i finally just gave up and got out .............) .

Thank You
James Shannon Nelson

I don't think Don was talking about "Wheaten" as in the variety, I think he was saying "wheat" as in "straw" color. As in you can get 3 colors in the Black Copper--copper, mahogany, and straw.

 

[Zanna]

Here are some of another breeding. Unrelated Cock and Pullet. Pullet daughter of the hen in the above post. Two of their cockeral offspring. I hope these pictures are helpfull..........

 

[Zanna]

The two young males together are much too young to say if they are going to be straw colored.

AOK. Just did not hatch any others coloured this light so it will be interesting to see how they grow out!

 

[Ray from PA]

Is it the "norm" that Mahogany males have little or no flame in their hackles ?

I took a closer look at one of the darker males I have growing out (they have recently begun to color in) ,,,, and noticed that one of them has fairly broad flame striping in his hackles, the other has none, but, honestly he only has color in his hackles right now,,, no coloring anywhere else.

I remember some time ago that Snowbird referred to the width of the flame stripe when chosing matings to improve color on pullets I believe. ???

 

[snowbird]

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The problem with the wheaten showing up in BC Marans according to the French site was caused by the Wheaten males being used in the BC breeding pens as the farmers did not know the difference. The wheaten blood is also why we see the BC with the white Shanks and feet, the white wing and tail feathers and also the white undercolor in the BC. The BC males that have the halo going on with the Hackle feathers is a sign there is wheaten blood going on.

The white undercolor and the white wing and tail feathers can be bred out by rigid culling. All of these wheaten influence problems go hand to hand. I proved two year ago that it can be bred out of the BC though.

 

[snowbird]

Here are some of another breeding. Unrelated Cock and Pullet. Pullet daughter of the hen in the above post. Two of their cockeral offspring. I hope these pictures are helpfull..........

The one young male has the wheaten influence hackle halo going on, the other one appears to look ok.

 

[snowbird]

Is it the "norm" that Mahogany males have little or no flame in their hackles ?

I took a closer look at one of the darker males I have growing out (they have recently begun to color in) ,,,, and noticed that one of them has fairly broad flame striping in his hackles, the other has none, but, honestly he only has color in his hackles right now,,, no coloring anywhere else.

I remember some time ago that Snowbird referred to the width of the flame stripe when chosing matings to improve color on pullets I believe. ???

Yes Ray, most of the time the Mahogany darker male will have very little of the Flame going on. The lighter Mahogany male will have a larger flame similiar to the BC male. If you wanted to improve color on over melanized pullets I would use a lighter Mahogany colored male with more flame going on. It is much easier to make these matings if you are working with Marans that you have an idea of what they will produce.