Black Copper Marans discussion thread

[moms3cuties]

... this is my rooster number 2 that supposed to be BCM, however he had a lot of yellow on him when he was a chick and he's the biggest of the two Roos that I had bought off craigs list before I knew anything. They were supposed to be hens! :/ see the white in his one tail feather and all those different colors of I called them orange myself, I don't think he is a true Black Copper Marans

Was it yellow, or white? It is common for the BCM chicks to have some white, but not yellow. I have never seen a BCM chick with yellow, so he may have something else going on in his genetic background.

some white and a little bit of yellow where he has some other colors of orange on him now, it was just a mild hue of yellow. I have to look and see if I have pictures of him with his brother. His brother never had any thing but a little bit of white on him.

 

[City farm]

I will post up another photo or two of the eggs they came from, can't wait to catch up on this thread.

The reason we got rid of our BCM about 1 year ago, infrequent laying & her egg's were the same color as our welsumers. The top egg's are from our flock. The middle chocolate speckles, jumbo quail from @Sill the ones next to them are wild dove egg's from a friend that rescues wild bird's for re-release, and finally a duck egg.. However our BCM went to a friend's mom that wanted a nice bird.. She was older and had a fabulous set up..

 

[City farm]

Now here are the 3 from a French Black Copper Marans.

Here is the egg's from the parents.

 

[City farm]

I took photos today of the chick's that were from @moms3cuties and the FBCM. One more just hatched today.. Here are the egg's from her flock, under our broody Moma Cheryl..

They are nice dark egg's

 

[Scatterknit]

Wow!!! That is just beautiful!!!!

 

[Alaskan]

Why would someone care if you bred two different lines of Marans together?

Like Wade with Bev Davis???

Isn't that good.... because everyone is so upset about inbreeding?

I have heard people mention this too (how it is best to stay with only one 'line'), something about how some of the best traits of the line are lost if you mix the lines up.....

but I still don't get it.

 

[downtheriver]

Why would someone care if you bred two different lines of Marans together?

Like Wade with Bev Davis???

Isn't that good.... because everyone is so upset about inbreeding?

I have heard people mention this too (how it is best to stay with only one 'line'), something about how some of the best traits of the line are lost if you mix the lines up.....

but I still don't get it.

it's been found that the chances of getting darker eggs is in line/in breeding .... right the opposite (lighter eggs) when crossing different lines of Marans . But there are exceptions to this , but note the word exception .

 

[Alaskan]

thank you @downtheriver !

Are there any bad things that pop up regularly with Marans when inbreeding? Like crossed beaks, or whatever?

This is only my third year hatching Marans, and I haven't had any genetic issues... but I haven't done any in breeding at all.

 

[downtheriver]

thank you @downtheriver !

Are there any bad things that pop up regularly with Marans when inbreeding? Like crossed beaks, or whatever?

This is only my third year hatching Marans, and I haven't had any genetic issues... but I haven't done any in breeding at all.

chickens can be bred anyway wanted and no more things will popout than trying to breed in a particular way . Of course what ever is in chickens will show it self at some time and point . Just for instance chicken with 'no tail' ... this is in all chickens and will come out sometimes .

There are exceptions to everything though .

 

[DMRippy]

Why would someone care if you bred two different lines of Marans together?

Like Wade with Bev Davis???

Isn't that good.... because everyone is so upset about inbreeding?

I have heard people mention this too (how it is best to stay with only one 'line'), something about how some of the best traits of the line are lost if you mix the lines up.....

but I still don't get it.

Line breeding and inbreeding are TWO different things. Inbreeding will just exaggerate issues. Line breeding is breeding to improve traits you like. It is not ever a good idea to breed siblings.

Marans have lots of issues still, white feathers, no feathers on shanks, combs, egg color...... the list goes on and on. Each line you mentioned have distinct characteristics. When you cross the lines you will lose those characteristics. For example when you introduce new blood in marans you tend to lose egg color. Each bird contributes a set of genes DIFFERENT genes from unrelated birds. So now you will only have one set of said genes, the other line may not contribute similar genes and you will lose something like egg color, eye color or color. With that said how far back did those birds originate from said breeder? If you didn't get them from said breeder they are not really those lines anymore. So many people have already crossed them they are pretty much in any bird you get.