Black Copper Marans discussion thread

@GaryDean26 , thanks for all of the great information! And you're right, if I do keep a cockerel, I will end up with some sort of breeding in the future. Very addicting! All true Birchen Maran chicks, whether male or female, get the copper on the wings, correct? There's quite a few chicks getting feathers that have no copper, so does that possibly mean one of the hens was of another maran type with a dominant color gene? Like I said, they're pets and I want them primarily for egg color, but genetics are very interesting to me. For example, I have friend's Silkie chick brooding with my marans and the chick is white/blue, but both parents were black and all of the siblings were back. I'm working on wrapping my mind around that as well! Very cool stuff.
A pure Black Copper Marans chick would carry two copies of the Birchen Color pattern and would written as [eR/eR]. They should NOT have any red color in the wings.

An incomplete Black Copper Marans would only carry one gene for the Black Copper coloring and therefore is not pure bred for the black copper colors (but is still a Marans). It should show red in the wing tips at about 2-4 days old if it has the Birchen Color pattern. It is written as [eR/eb], [eR/eWh], or [eR, e+] depending on what recessive color is it carrying.

An incomplete should show red in the wing tips at about 7-10 days old if it has the Extended Black Color pattern. It is written as [E/eb], [E/eWh], or [E/e+] depending on what recessive color is it carrying.

Note if you breed a cockerel that is [eR/eR] to a hen that is [eR/eb] and a hen that is [E/eWH] then the out come of offspring could be [eR/eR], [eR/eb], [eR/eWh], [E,eR].

Those that are [eR/eR] would likely produce hens with faint copper on the hackles. Those that are [eR/eb] and [eR/eWh] would likly produce hens with good copper on the hackles, and those that were [E/eR] would likely produce hens that are black with no copper on their hackles at all. Until you get the recessive color out of the breeding if is very difficult to improve the copper color on the hens because you don't know which ones are produce the best copper color with a correct primary color pattern. To make it more complicated an [E, eWh] would look like an [eR/eR]. So...leaning to sort what you have goes a long way. Once you have eliminated the incorrect color patterns from the flock you can achieve a high degree of consistency in you flock. Before that you are likely to see a lot of variation in the offspring. Again if you aren't breeding them it doesn't really matter. If you are breeding them you spend a lot of time studying them and taking notes and with every cross you hoe that you see better consistency that you did with the previous breeding group. Most people feel that all the details and work are a royal pain. Chicken breeders that do this for hobby actually enjoy the challenge of figuring things out to be able to produce uniform flocks through their selective mating. :) Most of what I have learned are things that my mentor who has been breeding BCM for over 12 years figured out first and then I just verified in my flock to see if we both got the same results. :)
 
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We finally got confirmation from at least one of our girls that they are in Fact, Black copper marans, So I might join in on the discussion, if that's alrigh. :) Mom found an egg out in the pen yesterday, and It was VERY Dark!! . (I'm at college currently, so yeah.. Today I get to go home for the first time in a month and see our girls. excited!)

Dale, our rooster. (His leg band is number 88, and he liked to run around the pen at Mach speeds when he was younger)

Dale again. (he was just hatched this spring.)

Taima, The young hen my dad took to the county fair this year.

We have other birds, but I will get pics today or tomorrow when I get time at home.

I'm excited to get into Marans. We have 6 hens and one Rooster, and the rest of the chickesn in the pen with them are our Easter Eggers. We also Have OEGBs, Japanese bantams and Mille Fleur d'uccles, plus the ducks lay eggs sometihmes better than the chickesn do! So many colors of eggs! :)
 
Does anyone have their Marans DNA profiled? If so what is the cost?
I am not sure what you are after here. Can you clarify what you are hoping to achieve through DNA testing? Less than 3% of the Chicken Genome has been mapped. Do you have a specific gene or genes in that 3% that you know about that you are trying to get tested? About all that I have seen offered is sexing birds and testing to see if/how birds are related. Neither of these are worth testing for me. I could tell the sex at 3-4 week with out any DNA testing and I know how all my birds are related because I keep farm records of my flock. I saw that one lab also test for diseases but I wasn't sure if they were doing DNA testing for genetic diseases or if the disease testing was separate from there DNA test for communicable disease.

Here is a lab in Canada that does bird genetics, http://www.healthgene.com/avian-dna-testing/avian-dna-relation.

Here is another one. http://www.avianbiotech.com/Index.htm
 
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How does this rooster look? He is one of 2 that we have. I am trying to decide which one of the 2 is the better rooster. Please let me know about this one. I would like to keep the better one for breeding. Thank you.

Will.
 

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