Black Copper Marans discussion thread

[Flock Master64]

Why do you have to cull it?

 

[Old Man Tom]

Wanting to breed to SOP Always passes forward to offspring.

 

[One Chick Two]

Trying to get some discussion going . Not much happening here lately??? Is this the dreaded carnation comb? Pene influence, absolute must cull !!! Thoughts?

Yes, This is Coronation Comb, unfortunately. Carnation comb is not the actual name of the abnormal comb. Side sprigs are not the same thing... just differing mutations on the same allele.

He would be culled here. Also, the parents would be split up, with differing partners to try to find a mate without the opposing abnormal comb gene (Could be the same gene, then not express in the young) or ideally if you can find them- neither gene. Ideally, but, realistically difficult to find lines that do not carry at least one side of the genes.

Here is a really good article on Coronation Comb and side sprigs.
http://www.maranschickenclubusa.com/files/Abnormal_Combs_Article.pdf

Some people believe that Penedesencas were bred in to Marans at some point long ago, in an attempt to darken the egg color. Could be the case- there hasn't been a lot of research so no one knows for sure.

However, I have had Coronation Comb and side sprigs randomly show up in tiny, white egg laying OEGB (originally from breeders coming from the opposites ends of the US) that there were no known Penedesencas for 7 gens on either side. Also, single side sprigs show up in most other breeds as well. I believe there may be some other allele(s) or sequencing at play.

 

[Old Man Tom]

I was sure it was just in denial and needed conformation. Thank so much for your reply.

 

[Sylvester017]

Yes, This is Coronation Comb, unfortunately. Carnation comb is not the actual name of the abnormal comb. Side sprigs are not the same thing... just differing mutations on the same allele.

He would be culled here. Also, the parents would be split up, with differing partners to try to find a mate without the opposing abnormal comb gene (Could be the same gene, then not express in the young) or ideally if you can find them- neither gene. Ideally, but, realistically difficult to find lines that do not carry at least one side of the genes.

Here is a really good article on Coronation Comb and side sprigs.
http://www.maranschickenclubusa.com/files/Abnormal_Combs_Article.pdf

Some people believe that Penedesencas were bred in to Marans at some point long ago, in an attempt to darken the egg color. Could be the case- there hasn't been a lot of research so no one knows for sure.

However, I have had Coronation Comb and side sprigs randomly show up in tiny, white egg laying OEGB (originally from breeders coming from the opposites ends of the US) that there were no known Penedesencas for 7 gens on either side. Also, single side sprigs show up in most other breeds as well. I believe there may be some other allele(s) or sequencing at play.

You are certain the term is "Coronation Comb"? The article you referenced stated "Carnation Comb" and that's the term I've always seen associated with the Penedesenca comb?

 

[One Chick Two]

You are certain the term is "Coronation Comb"? The article you referenced stated "Carnation Comb" and that's the term I've always seen associated with the Penedesenca comb?

Yes, certain. Show Judge Brian Decker straightened me out on Carnation Comb as well. lol You will see it mentioned more about Penedesenca combs. The person who wrote that article was a newer breeder at that time.

Here is a really good snippet about Coronation combs

https://books.google.com/books?id=l...onepage&q=Coronation Comb on chickens&f=false

 

[Sylvester017]

Yes, certain. Show Judge Brian Decker straightened me out on Carnation Comb as well. lol You will see it mentioned more about Penedesenca combs. The person who wrote that article was a newer breeder at that time.

Here is a really good snippet about Coronation combs

https://books.google.com/books?id=l...onepage&q=Coronation Comb on chickens&f=false

OK, that's good to keep the correct references going - TY.

 

[Braxton Brigade]

This was from my rhode island red rooster and barred rock hen.
Thoughts?

It's a black sex-link, she will be a great layer.

http://www2.ca.uky.edu/smallflocks/Sex-linked_crosses.html

 

[Braxton Brigade]

Trying to get some discussion going . Not much happening here lately??? Is this the dreaded carnation comb? Pene influence, absolute must cull !!! Thoughts?

Will you post this one the international bcm thread? I would love to see Chooks man's opinion on something like this.

 

[Old Man Tom]

Not a member of that site(thread) do not know that I could post. Tom