Black Copper Marans discussion thread

[geebs]

NO... that isn't straw

One I thought we were talking Black copper... Use dark red girls on him.. I think the goal in the end will be the same as with the black coppers... the best even color across the back.. He is well withing the acceptable realm.. that is NOT STRAW!!!! No worries.. man is he nnnnnice.

I was thinking of a different rooster you have... I can't keep em straight...It might not even have been yours...LOL... Slippery brain disease...

 

[geebs]

Quite honestly I haven't seen that much uniformity on the blue copper.. take the ones that a very mahogany and use them on this rooster.. I think you will be surprised at the outcome as far as the next male generation is concerned....it is a process and you are well on the way to success with it...

 

[geebs]

I think that is a very showable bird Pink... He looks very even to me... a whole body shot would be better...

Unless he has some deformity or serious DQ point that is a super bird from what I can see of him.

 

[pinkchick]

Thank you Jan!

I am using him on pullets that show very little copper or dark copper and using him over a BL-Cpr hen that needs more copper and one very dark blue copper girl from Bill that shows no copper at all. Have some chicks from all of these crosses now, so we will see.

Also...got some great words of wisdom from my friend Snowbird....whom I also glean sooooooooooo much from. Thank you Don! and Thank you again Jan! You peeps ROCK!!!

 

[pinkchick]

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He doesn't have any deformities at all...nor does he have any DQ's....but he slides in by the hair of his chinny chin chin for being DQ'd......he has 2 paritally white feathers in his tail that came in after his first molt....but I could have damaged them too when I ended up with a hand full of his tail feathers one day shortly after his molt ended. About 2 weeks later after the mishap and grabbing his tail feathers....they started turning white. The base of the feathers are still blue and so is the shaft but some white is on the outer sides of the feather. I think the blue might be traveling back into the feathers now.....I was looking at him 2 days ago and they look like they have regained some blue color.

If he had more than those 2 feathers he would be DQ'd for sure.

I'll get you some full body shots, but you have seen them all before......let me go find them.

 

[geebs]

My rooster didn't have one white feather untill he got in a fight and then he got white feathers at his 2nd year molt after a near death experience... An experiences breeder told me that he has some damaged follicles as I was planning to cull him... I am glad I didn't... His offspring did not produce adults with white feathers... So far...

Share the wisdom... (waiting)

 

[pinkchick]

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Kim, the last approved standard by MCC said black in hackle and saddle was acceptable and that is where the flaming comes from. Don​

 

[marquisella]

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The color that comes in, is the color it stays. I don't think that cockerel has straw color. If I was to say one of them has straw color, it would be the the oldest one you pictured, his hackles lighten up at the ends, that is straw colored and called "flaming" and is considered a fault.

Unless my monitor is showing the colors incorrectly, I would not give up on the lighter overall colored boy. His is light copper, but still within the copper color.

Sue

Flame is now considered a fault??????

I thought that there was no mention of it and that it wasn't a fault. Clarify for me please Sue? Thanks!

I'm pretty sure on the French site, they say that the lightening of the ends of the hackle is a fault, not a dq. It is called " Flaming" . Of course, I can't find it now...
Its not really a bleaching out from the sun. If you wanted to use him, you would have to be careful & not breed to a hen that has too much color. A breeder does just that, breeds to better the breed. Breeding quality & show quality don't always go hand in hand.
Sorry I got you upset.
Sue

 

[pinkchick]

Gnarles for ya Jan. Please note the first photo is from late Spetember /October? 2010. The second is from about a month so ago. I have to get some new photos of him.

 

[pinkchick]

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Flame is now considered a fault??????

I thought that there was no mention of it and that it wasn't a fault. Clarify for me please Sue? Thanks!

I'm pretty sure on the French site, they say that the lightening of the ends of the hackle is a fault, not a dq. It is called " Flaming" . Of course, I can't find it now...
Its not really a bleaching out from the sun. If you wanted to use him, you would have to be careful & not breed to a hen that has too much color. A breeder does just that, breeds to better the breed. Breeding quality & show quality don't always go hand in hand.
Sorry I got you upset.
Sue

NO NO NO NO NO!!!!!! You did not upset me at all.....trust me!!!! Glad you brought it up! Thank You!!!! It's all good!