Black Copper Marans discussion thread

Seabreeze wrote:
OK ladies and gents, I have a couple of questions based upon my recent observations.

I acquired my first hens from a breeder in Corvallis, OR. They lay some very lovely terra cotta red-brown eggs but nothing over a 6 per the chart. But these hens and their subsequent offspring by our no-longer-here Mr. Sprig (big bodied, tanky young roo but bumps in his comb), are SUBSTANTIAL. I don't mean just tall, I mean they are WIDE as well and definitely *low slung*. The pullets have just started laying and seem to lay a shade darker egg than moms so I am guessing this darker paint could be the genetics behind Mr. Sprig? I know what color the moms lay consistently now that I've been gathering eggs from them for almost 18 months.

Secondly, I purchased 13 chicks from a breeder back east and I cannot remember them saying if they were Jean Wade or Bev Davis lines (but I am thinking they indicated WJ), but they are quite a bit different the ones I started with from Corvallis and also sired by Sprig. The ones from back east, pullets appear to have just started to lay and their eggs are very nice color, 6 and 7 and one or two 8s, for the few I've gotten because they are just 4 months old.

BUT......compared to the offspring from Sprig, who are about 3 days older, these east coast birds are small in stature, breadth and just don't have that *homemade cake* heft to them that Sprig's babies do.

So, is there one line that lays a darker egg than the other, overall?

What is most desirable, darkest eggs or broad, low slung bird (with correct comb, coloration etc)?

Any suggestions for finding a way to get both? Or will I have to keep the WJ separate from the BD birds? Any benefit to hatching the crosses (WJ/BD) out? Anyone else have experiences with this cross and outcomes?

Thanks

I'm too new at all this to give definitive answers; Sprig could very well be the source of the genes that are producing the darker eggs.

I have 10 chicks, I recounted today 5 roosters and 5 hens-- and I had noticed over the last few days that these birds are much smaller than the light sussex which is the same age and from the same breeder. I'm not complaining mind you. A smaller bird is more economical. Mine are-Presley/wade-jean lines.

I would think you could cross these lines and try to pull the features you want from each line, like a larger bird with darker eggs. But honestly, I don't know which size the judges are looking for. Maybe some one can chime in here.​
 
What size eggs do you get regularly from your BCM hens?

I've been getting pullet eggs from mine for a couple weeks, and got one HUGE double yolker early this week. Yesterday I collected and there was one pullet egg and one perfect jumbo egg (much bigger than the L eggs from my two adult hens of a different breed), the jumbo was the same coloring and pattern as the double yolker I got earlier this week. I'm pretty sure I know which hen is laying the double yolker and jumbo eggs, since she squatted first and has a much larger, redder comb and is the most affectionate towards me- she also started laying first. (She is pictured back a few pages on this thread, around 215-216) I just don't know if jumbo/ xl eggs are standard from BCM or if she just lays a very large egg.
 
So I was processing some BCM roosters for freezer camp this past weekend, and I noticed something about their hackles. The underside of the copper hackle feathers is silver like a birchen. These roos were form two different lines... is this the norm for BCM roosters?

-Keara
 
My latest BCM Roo hatchlings are maturing but one has a bump on the beak. Is this an inherited trait?
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The bump is on the beak next to the comb But none have any light hackles under the dark copper.
 
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Keara, I'm not really sure...you're not talking about the whitish under hackle that some of the lesser quality ones have, are
you? It doens't sound like that from your description.

david - I can't get a good view of the bump you speak of - is it possible to get a close-up, focused pic of it? I can't imagine it would be genetic, but you never know.
 
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wish I had taken a picture and will see if I can get a look at my main roo tonight and see if he has the same.

think of it this way....... If you had a single, black cooper roo, hackle feather in your hand; the top side would look cooper with the black stripe down the middle, and if you turned that feather over it would be silver with a black stripe down the middle.

I noticed this once I hung the roos to drain after killing them, and I could clearly see the underside of those hackle feathers.
 
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wish I had taken a picture and will see if I can get a look at my main roo tonight and see if he has the same.

think of it this way....... If you had a single, black cooper roo, hackle feather in your hand; the top side would look cooper with the black stripe down the middle, and if you turned that feather over it would be silver with a black stripe down the middle.

I noticed this once I hung the roos to drain after killing them, and I could clearly see the underside of those hackle feathers.

Gosh, I'm super curious now. Sorta hoping you have more with the same coloring. I'm going to look closely at my cockerel tonight and see what the undersides of his hackles look like. I need to get some updated pics of him anyway.
 
That spot on his beak looks like what happens when a bird jams its beak in the wire, either pecking at flies, or got scared for some reason and bumped into the wire. I would not cull for it.
 

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