Black crested White Polish

[Drewsroo]

Here's some really useful info:

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Gives a bit of the story on how the originals were created. As I suspected silver laced is in there. And Lakenvelder. I would think an acceptable backcross would be to any silver laced (non bearded)) you could find with poor lacing and more dark in the crests. Indeed from your pictures it sure looks like the Ideal stock has silver laced in the parentage. Good luck on your adventures.

 

[I Like Turkeys]

Here's some really useful info:

https://www.facebook.com/permalink.php?story_fbid=pfbid02KSEPtA4F8dYXMYTu2akjRsgqr89EGJWdu8SdsoMrx8vLWQ9fWKvnxFx67Pf19bm9l&id=100062982831214

Gives a bit of the story on how the originals were created. As I suspected silver laced is in there. And Lakenvelder. I would think an acceptable backcross would be to any silver laced (non bearded)) you could find with poor lacing and more dark in the crests. Indeed from your pictures it sure looks like the Ideal stock has silver laced in the parentage. Good luck on your adventures.

Good find. It makes sense silver laced and lakenvelders were used; sounds like a perfect match, even if it’d take a few generations for proper coloring.
I agree that a proper backcross would probably need to be a silver laced; but I’ve never actually seen a non-bearded silver laced- not that they don’t exist, mind you, just that I’ve never seen them advertised anywhere- and a general concern i‘d have about a silver polish with less than ideal markings is they’d also have poor body type. That‘ll be something to have to really search for.
Whenever I look at my own birds, I somewhat see them as looking more spangled. I’m not entirely familiar with that pattern, but a lot of my birds have heavy breast markings, hackle markings, and a few have their tail feathers tipped in black. Not that this is good, or I’m confident in my own analysis, just a note on what I see.

 

[NagemTX]

Good find. It makes sense silver laced and lakenvelders were used; sounds like a perfect match, even if it’d take a few generations for proper coloring.
I agree that a proper backcross would probably need to be a silver laced; but I’ve never actually seen a non-bearded silver laced- not that they don’t exist, mind you, just that I’ve never seen them advertised anywhere- and a general concern i‘d have about a silver polish with less than ideal markings is they’d also have poor body type. That‘ll be something to have to really search for.
Whenever I look at my own birds, I somewhat see them as looking more spangled. I’m not entirely familiar with that pattern, but a lot of my birds have heavy breast markings, hackle markings, and a few have their tail feathers tipped in black. Not that this is good, or I’m confident in my own analysis, just a note on what I see. View attachment 3556605View attachment 3556596View attachment 3556597

They look like my Spitzhauben crosses feather wise. I got my Spitzhauben from Cackle and due to crest shape I'm sure there was polish in there somewhere to improve them or for diversity of blood.

 

[Drewsroo]

Good find. It makes sense silver laced and lakenvelders were used; sounds like a perfect match, even if it’d take a few generations for proper coloring.
I agree that a proper backcross would probably need to be a silver laced; but I’ve never actually seen a non-bearded silver laced- not that they don’t exist, mind you, just that I’ve never seen them advertised anywhere- and a general concern i‘d have about a silver polish with less than ideal markings is they’d also have poor body type. That‘ll be something to have to really search for.
Whenever I look at my own birds, I somewhat see them as looking more spangled. I’m not entirely familiar with that pattern, but a lot of my birds have heavy breast markings, hackle markings, and a few have their tail feathers tipped in black. Not that this is good, or I’m confident in my own analysis, just a note on what I see. View attachment 3556605View attachment 3556596View attachment 3556597

Well they do look spangled and I missed that. If they used silver spangled spitzhauben in the cross, that was not the right thing to do.

The proper breeding is a columbian pattern like Lakenvelder. That spangling is

 

[Drewsroo]

There is a pic of a black crested buff on feathersite as well. Again most likely created with something like a Vorwerk, which is the columbian pattern as well.

Spangling is outside of my knowledge base on genetics, never dealt with it.

 

[NagemTX]

If andalusian was used it might produce that as well. Using the calculator it shows up sometimes depending on the color of cross you make with it.

 

[Drewsroo]

If andalusian was used it might produce that as well. Using the calculator it shows up sometimes depending on the color of cross you make with it.

Good call. That was actually mentioned on the genetics page I posted.

 

[JacinLarkwell]

Good find. It makes sense silver laced and lakenvelders were used; sounds like a perfect match, even if it’d take a few generations for proper coloring.
I agree that a proper backcross would probably need to be a silver laced; but I’ve never actually seen a non-bearded silver laced- not that they don’t exist, mind you, just that I’ve never seen them advertised anywhere- and a general concern i‘d have about a silver polish with less than ideal markings is they’d also have poor body type. That‘ll be something to have to really search for.
Whenever I look at my own birds, I somewhat see them as looking more spangled. I’m not entirely familiar with that pattern, but a lot of my birds have heavy breast markings, hackle markings, and a few have their tail feathers tipped in black. Not that this is good, or I’m confident in my own analysis, just a note on what I see. View attachment 3556605View attachment 3556596View attachment 3556597

That's very similar to my old trio, especially the male.

 

[I Like Turkeys]

I agree that spangling is bad, and it's a bit nerve-racking to see it so heavily. The chicken color calculator shows spangled as not having the columbia restriction gene, which is... not good, as it's been stated already. From just looking at them, I can't tell exactly what sort of genetic makeup all the birds have. Some are cleaner, some are messier, so i'm not for sure. It does feel a bit dreadful to think about though, because if my flock completely lacks the columbia pattern, I'd have to go through a lot of work to gain it back.
Right now, best I can think to do is to pair some of the cleanest, least-spangled birds together when they start breeding, and to see what I get, but yes, it is a bit irritating that they're more spangled.

 

[NagemTX]

I would pick nicalandia's brain if i where you. Just to see if you have the columbia restriction or not.