black patterned gold duckwing

[amazondoc]

Tim --

Thanks for your post!

This is what I've been told in a private email:

"Your "Golden Duckwing" is actually split for gold/silver & Wheaten/duckwing, so eWh/e+ S/s+
You don't say what hens he has been bred to but I assume wildtype Duckwing e+/e+ s+/-
This mating could produce phenotypes of both Silver Duckwing S/- pullets ,Partridge (Gold Duckwing) pullets s+/-, Black Breasted Red (Partridge bred Duckwing ) cockerels s+/s+ and Golden (split Silver/gold) Duckwing Cockerels S/s+.
The above will be 50% pure e+/e+ and 50% impure eWh/e+."

This is pretty much what I have actually seen come out of him. Silver and goldish pullets, BBR cockerel, Golden cockerel. Could I see this same pattern if he were homozygous for either silver or gold?

And what, genetically, is the difference between gold duckwing and BBR hens?

Incidentally, here's a pic of the roo in question, followed by pics of three offspring. The really silvery pullet is still very young, and I haven't photographed her yet.

roo:

And some offspring:

 

[Krys109uk]

Golden Duckwing carry only the silver gene or genes plus autosomal red and possibly mahogany.

I think this varies according to opinion. golden duckwing is often said to be het S/s+ males.


From the standards for OEG, golden duckwing male has hackle yellow, saddle straw, shoulders orange or rich yellow, wingbow prange or rich yellow. The females have: Hackle silver white, ......basically exactly the same as the silver duckwing.

I don't think e+, S, Ar+ alone would make otherwise silver males that yellow & if they had Mh then the females would have creamy yellow hackles.

But it's all words & hobby names again.

 

[Krys109uk]

Gold duckwing is e+,s+/s+ (or s+/-), I gather you also call this colour BBR in US.

I agree with your private email.

 

[tadkerson]

Your male is heterozygous or split for silver and gold if he is producing silver and gold females.


Tim

 

[amazondoc]

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Right. I don't know about all other breeds, but in araucanas accepted colors include silver duckwing, golden duckwing, AND BBR. In the APA, "BBR" is wheaten -- but in the ABA, "BBR" is e+ .

The whole thing is very confusing!

 

[amazondoc]

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So can he be called gold or golden duckwing.......or what?

 

[Krys109uk]

In the APA, "BBR" is wheaten -- but in the ABA, "BBR" is e+ .

More things to confuse one.

Really BBR could be taken to apply to males of e+, eWh, or eb.

 

[tadkerson]

If he meets the standard for golden duckwing you can call him golden duckwing. He will not breed true for the golden duckwing genotype. You can produce a phenotype (birds looks)with more than one genotype.

That is not a problem because many breeders us two pens to produce birds they show. One pen for males and another pen for females.

Gold duck wings are black breasted red and he is not that.

Silver duck wings are silver with no red pigmentation.

So, I would say he is closer to the golden duck wing than either.

Tim

 

[amazondoc]

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Here's the APA araucana SOP (condensed version) for golden duckwing: "Head: Plumage--creamy white. Hackle: Creamy white, free from striping. Front of neck--black. Back: Back-- golden. Saddle--light golden, free from striping. Wings: Shoulders --black. Fronts--black. Bows--golden."

 

[Krys109uk]

golden duckwing: "Head: Plumage--creamy white. Hackle: Creamy white, free from striping. Front of neck--black. Back: Back-- golden. Saddle--light golden, free from striping. Wings: Shoulders --black. Fronts--black. Bows--golden."

And the females?​