blue eyed heritage breed turkeys?

fastmari

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Apr 2, 2011
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Unintentionally crossed easterns with standard and BB bronze years ago, results took us on that traditional heritage breed color variation odyssey that we just shamefully believed was our poor breeding habits of letting our flock free range and breed by choice, hen to tom each year. Never enough money for fencing to isolate breeds, ages, needy individuals and other livestock like quail, chickens, undesired roosters, and 4 pens of goats. We love our resultant Narragansett turkeys, our Royal Palm and other variations now present of what we had to sell off last year, but what I want to know: our first birds that exhibitted white plumage had blue eyes in a bright sky to light turquoise blue, that in adulthood would shade down to a blue hazel greyish hue. we do not get that bright, clear blue now in our silver and buff and red palm, narragansetts and bronze crosses, but do still get a hazel grey-blue in some of them and all of the white base colors. Has anyone else had this occur and did we blow an opportunity to pursue a fabulous, rare genetic trait in heritage breed turkeys with blue eyes? I am trying this year to carve out a fund dedicated to recapture that blend of what we believe we had genetic crosses of in our early turkey purchases, that the sellers did not know what they were selling us and we did not know until years later that all was not as stated. Am I throwing money to the wind to try to blindly follow suspicions of genetic makeup, to redo the original crosses to get blue eyes again? we have no way to go back and get the same birds from the same seller, nor did he even know what he had. I have not found any other heritage turkey breeders mentioning blue eyes in their royal palm and white based heritage birds.

mari
 
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Black based white turkeys have blue eyes. White Hollands use to be blue eyed until the standard called for brown eyes. I think the blue eyes might be linked to blindness.
 
I wish I had found this post first, since I just posted a question asking about this.

Black based white turkeys have blue eyes.

I know the blue comes from my old blue slate tom. He has a ring of blue-gray around a medium-brown iris. He has offspring that have the same kind of eyes, and occassionally a poult will hatch with light colored eyes, but I've never had one survive beyond a few weeks to find out whether they were just light brown or blue. This one 3 month old poult has the most beautiful eyes. I wish I knew for certain which hen he came from, and whether or not the gene was present in my Royal Palm tom or lavender hen. I had other toms in the pen, and the three other hens are possibly the old blue slate's offspring, so there's just no telling.​
 
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I know the blue comes from my old blue slate tom. He has a ring of blue-gray around a medium-brown iris. He has offspring that have the same kind of eyes, and occassionally a poult will hatch with light colored eyes, but I've never had one survive beyond a few weeks to find out whether they were just light brown or blue. This one 3 month old poult has the most beautiful eyes. I wish I knew for certain which hen he came from, and whether or not the gene was present in my Royal Palm tom or lavender hen. I had other toms in the pen, and the three other hens are possibly the old blue slate's offspring, so there's just no telling.

You might ask Kevin Porter about this. I kinda remember him posting on his genics board about site problems in his blue palms.
 
I noticed that page 9 on the ALBC breeding manual it says "Avoid blue eyes because homozygous blue genes results in blindness."
 
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Interesting. I'm wondering if it's kind of like the deal with blue eyed cats and deafness. I have no clue at to whether it's homozygous, but I'm pretty sure it has't got to the point that it's an issue with my flock. This one sees fine. His eyes aren't a true blue, more of a deep steel or gunmetal gray.
 

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