Blue Laced Red Wyandotte THREAD!

[4stakes]

This is one of our BLRW at 8 weeks old. Any comments on it? My son wants to show it for 4-H at the fair.

Thanks, Kevin

 

[Texasmja]

lol its pretty simple i had to explain why i had said crele laced in my original post. If you read back a few post you will see how Ki4got thought me a huge lesson because i used the wrong words in my question. Soooo if you were following my post i had said here is a crele laced polish pictured below, simply just to show what i was thinking about when i asked my original question. . And then at the end of my post i very clearly state what exactly I'm wanting to know , the ki4got posted a pic of her blrw that has the thin dark lacing around the edge of the feathers on its chest. DO THE SPLASH ALSO GET THIS TOO AND I JUST CANT TELL on all the pictures people post of them.

Steen, I understand what your asking. Last year I had some chicks that had that same coloring. As they grew some got lighter but still had that dark blue edging on their feathers on the chest lacing. I cull my flock by type first. I kept one that I was unsure if he was a dark splash (because EVERYONE said he was) but I had my doubts. He was test bred to solid black hens, I hatched 6 eggs to see if what color the chicks would be. If he was a splash ALL of the chicks should of been blue, BUT they were not. He sire two solid black chicks. As I studied up on the blue dilution gene I learned a lot in the book I ordered from England. He is a light blue. He has that same dark blue edging on his chest lacing. I have bred him to BLR pullets and he has sired about 8 black lace, 25 blues, and 3 splash.

 

[delisha]

Steen,

I have several chicks that look splash..but are coloring in a nice deep dark red. I sort of understand what you are saying. Yes..sometimes dark chicks lighten up when they feather out and yes some of those lighter chicks feather out and get nice and dark.

If you are not getting your questions answered, please try asking differently.

This place is a very pleasant place filled with people who would love to help you. Please be pleasant.

 

[CibolaChooks]

Steen, I understand what your asking. Last year I had some chicks that had that same coloring. As they grew some got lighter but still had that dark blue edging on their feathers on the chest lacing. I cull my flock by type first. I kept one that I was unsure if he was a dark splash (because EVERYONE said he was) but I had my doubts. He was test bred to solid black hens, I hatched 6 eggs to see if what color the chicks would be. If he was a splash ALL of the chicks should of been blue, BUT they were not. He sire two solid black chicks. As I studied up on the blue dilution gene I learned a lot in the book I ordered from England. He is a light blue. He has that same dark blue edging on his chest lacing. I have bred him to BLR pullets and he has sired about 8 black lace, 25 blues, and 3 splash.

do any of your splash have this dark blue " nice regular pattern" lacing around the edges of the white on their chest like ki4gots blrw. I know the blue breeds will, but what about the splashes from those blues has anybody noticed they have this edging in a nice regular pattern on a for sure splash.. Is mine special, or will it maybe loose this look when if fully matures. as of right now its very distinct just like on the blrw below. Thanks for your reply Texasmja maybe mine is like yours a light blue, i guess more time will tell. Ill work on pics

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Steen,

I have several chicks that look splash..but are coloring in a nice deep dark red. I sort of understand what you are saying. Yes..sometimes dark chicks lighten up when they feather out and yes some of those lighter chicks feather out and get nice and dark.

If you are not getting your questions answered, please try asking differently.

This place is a very pleasant place filled with people who would love to help you. Please be pleasant.

.I only appreciate the loving helpful threads. There has been other nasty people (divas with the best lines in the world) who have gotten me to not look at other threads. SOOO i am one of the most pleasant people they are. I just don't take a clowning very well especially from people who cant see your question for what it is because you used a word that they hinged on that doesn't really matter to the question. Also I've been known to chomp down on negators who discourage other people then shamelessly promote their lines . That is just despicable.

the main problem to me in an overall helpful post was to say it had nothing to do with lacing and then in her own words she talked about lacing (you might get some splashes of dark pigment among the pale blue to white lacing). (and my bantam blrw who shows that darker edged lacing) well that's just

to say it has nothing to do with lacing and then describe how they have lacing is

so i poked fun.

 

[Texasmja]

do any of your splash have this dark blue " nice regular pattern" lacing around the edges of the white on their chest like ki4gots blrw.


Personally, I do not believe that splash birds will have the dark blue edge on the chest lacing. The problem with only breeding BluexBlue birds is that the dilution gene continually is diluting the black base color. When that happens for several generations your blues become very light, so light that they can resemble a true splash. A Black lace needs to be bred into the gene pool every so often to keep the base color (black) pure and dark. The darker the base color (black) is the darker the blue will be on the bird. I am trying to explain this as simple as I can and make sense.

 

[blackbirds13]

I think I have a Blue roo but he's really dark so I want to make sure my eyes are not lying to me. I'll try to take a photo today and post it. He lost a couple toenails on one foot this winter to frost bite when I tried separating him out in the coop from being bullied by my older Marans rooster but he seems to be none the worst for wear. He's my only Wyandotte as I lost my black pullet. I got him at Springfield this January from Marquisella at about 6 weeks. Not sure if I'll keep him but if I do should I pair him with splash or blues? I love the look of the splash hens or the lighter blue ones. He does not crow so far. If I put my Blue Ameraucana in with him will I get splash EE's?

 

[Texasmja]

If I put my Blue Ameraucana in with him will I get splash EE's?

If he is a black and you breed him to a blue you will get = black, blue
If he is a blue and you breed him to a blue you will get = black, blue, splash

 

[ki4got]

do any of your splash have this dark blue " nice regular pattern" lacing around the edges of the white on their chest like ki4gots blrw. I know the blue breeds will, but what about the splashes from those blues has anybody noticed they have this edging in a nice regular pattern on a for sure splash.. Is mine special, or will it maybe loose this look when if fully matures. as of right now its very distinct just like on the blrw below. Thanks for your reply Texasmja maybe mine is like yours a light blue, i guess more time will tell. Ill work on pics

splash is just that. it's splashes of darker blue/black on a pale blue/white background... take that splashed feather, and put a red center in it, you're still going to have a splashed lacing, not the typical blue lacing that may or may not have a darker edge...

and when i said blue birds have a darker edge that has nothing to do with lacing, i was referring to SOLID blue birds... ones that do NOT carry the lacing genes (columbian, pattern and melanizing genes combine to produce laced birds)

these images show pretty well what a *solid* blue (or splash shown below) bird is supposed to look like... they are not mine, simply pulled from google images. if you want to see other blue breeds, the blue andalusian is another breed found in blue. one is an artist's representation taken from the breed SOP.

here's a splash that shows typical splash markings. the color may affect a whole feather or even just a portion of a feather but is not uniform or predictable.

one thought on that black laced, white then red-centered bird pictured earlier, it's possible maybe mottling is also involved... that would give the white with the lacing and red. but regardless, I don't think it's a splash-based bird at all, but actually black (not blue) based...

a test breeding would tell you for sure 100%, what it is (black blue or splash) by breeding to either black or splash.
black x black = black
black x blue = 50% black 50% blue
black x splash = 100% blue
blue x blue = 25% black, 50% blue, 25% splash
blue x splash = 50% splash 50% blue
splash x splash = 100% splash

just a thought.

 

[delisha]

This is one of our BLRW at 8 weeks old. Any comments on it? My son wants to show it for 4-H at the fair.

Thanks, Kevin


The legs look like the right color..a nice yellow. Give the bird another month and take pictures and watch how it grows. Look at the SOP and concentrate on the foundation/body structure of the bird. When mature, the body of a Wyandotte should be a circle. I like the wide stance of the bird. It tells me this bird is going to be nice and wide. it looks short back so it has the potential to have the correct body type. So far so good as far as the most important part at this age. I do not see any obvious disqualifications.

 

[CibolaChooks]

Personally, I do not believe that splash birds will have the dark blue edge on the chest lacing. The problem with only breeding BluexBlue birds is that the dilution gene continually is diluting the black base color. When that happens for several generations your blues become very light, so light that they can resemble a true splash. A Black lace needs to be bred into the gene pool every so often to keep the base color (black) pure and dark. The darker the base color (black) is the darker the blue will be on the bird. I am trying to explain this as simple as I can and make sense.

your making sense. I think this is what happened. He said that he doesn't get black laced or splashes and that they all come out blue. i think the way he breed them he probably diluted the black base color like your saying. Ill use these for a project of mine till i can get some Nice black laced reds to breed back into my birds. I have one really nice BLR roo and the one diluted black base super light blue is a pullet so i still have hope for them. i have two others that look nothing but white except for a few feathers have blue on them. I think you hit the nail on the head with the diluted black base.