Bob Blosl's Heritage Large Fowl Thread

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Crossing outside your strain? Yes, now you just have double the amount of "stuff" to deal with, I suppose. But "crossing" to birds that are in your strain, just not in your flock? I'd like to think this might be something that could be a positive step. Your thoughts?
If you have to get a bird a better one than you have right now you can cross say a female to your best two males. Then hatch half the chicks with each male then mat the best pullets from what ever male or both back to their sires. You could then hope to get the good traits from the new hen in the daughters and cross them back again keeping the very best to the males again. If one dies on you then mate the nice back to the uncle. Then say on your fourth year get a good couple of males and cross them onto your best females. This way you are breeding back to your own family line.

That's how some old timers did it in the 50s and 60s they told me.

You are asking for allot of culls. I once crossed a female onto my red bantams to help me shrink the size down. I hatched about 20 chicks from her only one male was worth a darn. I had already crossed about six years be for two males onto my line of large fowl-bantams that I made so I decided not to use him on my line. Just keep pounding away with what I had. I felt with that out cross to help me shrink the big bantams down would be enough and it was. I got a male from New York Reds that was half mine and half his. I mated him to two of my three year old hens. I got a nice pullet and ckl. I am mating the pullet back to his male he sent me. I am mating the ckl to his aunt as the two three year olds where pen sisters. Should get some good chicks with out a lot of culls. Then will mate the best ckl back to the two old girls again if they live long enough and then the next year a good ckl to some other female that may be the best hen of the year. I don't mate birds like this to pullets. I want old hens that molted back true to their type. I don't trust all this crossing to pullets as you never know if they will keep their true breed type.

I think that I have done enough old hens and old cock birds that I have preserved the old large fowl type on my Red Bantams.

Now lets say you have Barred Rocks from Frank Reese you cross some birds that came from another owner who got their start from Jeremy or say Kathy or Reese himself this year. They are still pure Reese so they should blend in nicely with what you have. However, if you bougtht a bird from say Mr. Roy in Mass and crossed him into this line the sparks would fly not only because its a different Barred Rock line but he has white rock blood mixed into his barreds and it would even open up another can of worms.

I still can not get over a friend and judge who crossed two or three different lines of large fowl Reds four years ago and then he has told me he has so much junk and disappointments in his own new strain that he is getting rid of all his Reds I mean all of them and starting over with a strain that is pure from one of our old time breeders. Maybe he learned his lesson and wont cross onto his birds again.

Down here we crossed some of my old Rhode Island Red large fowl from Illinois and Florida my friend got one killer male as good as the pure Illinois male he won Champion large fowl of the show with at Lake City Fla and this will be crossed back to something but it gives this old strain a new shot of vigor which my old line needed. However, we did get some junk, pinched tails ect no color faults however just little type things.

If they are laying well, but most of all exploding out of the eggs once piped and are vigourous there is no need to cross for vigor. Why waist all the money on culls to feed. However, if they die in the shell at 18 days and there is a good air sack you need fresh blood.

If you get your egg production and feathering rate up your vigor will be at the max and may go many years. If you got to cross go ahead but you must be ready for faults in type or color.

If you have to cross a different breed to your breed to make a old breed that is run down O my god you got to plan on a long road to go. Can you afford to do it or have time to do it.
 
Here is a recall again on the Brower incubators, will send replacement part if contacted to correct problem.


Brower Recalls Top Hatch Egg Incubators Due to Fire Hazard

Consumers should stop using this product unless otherwise instructed. It is illegal to resell or attempt to resell a recalled consumer product.
Recall date: January 2, 2013
Recall number: 13-085
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Egg Incubator
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The base can ignite during use, posing a fire hazard to the consumer.
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The base can ignite during use, posing a fire hazard to the consumer.
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The product is a round, light gray plastic egg incubator with a clear plastic top used to hatch many different types of eggs. The incubator is 18 inches in diameter and 12 inches tall. The recalled Model TH120 Brower Top Hatch Incubator has two main components—a tray and a base. A crank arm and a turner motor are located in the base. The crank arm snaps into place on the turner motor. The motor turns the crank arm which, in turn, rotates the tray. The clear plastic top has an engraving which says, “THIS SIDE UP.” The model number is located on the side of the packaging box.
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Brower received three reports of fires, all of which resulted in property damage. No injuries have been reported.

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Consumers should immediately stop using the product and contact the company for a free replacement base.
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We were talking, on this thread as well as CSU, about split wings and loose wings. It was said that a loose wing is as bad as a split wing. Well, I went ahead and culled my one male who showed a "loose" wing on his right side.

Now I have a question.

Once I got him culled and was processing him, I noticed that I could fit my THUMB between his pubic bones. We were talking about pelvic spacing on this thread a few days ago too.

This is my question... which is more important? I'm trying to increase abdominal capacity in my hens because despite they're being an egg-laying breed, they don't lay great. So, I'm working to improve this. This loose wing issue... is it something he would have DEFINITELY passed on or just MAYBE?

Hopefully I won't face this issue again but if I do, I need to know which way to vote.

Somebody please?
 
We were talking, on this thread as well as CSU, about split wings and loose wings.  It was said that a loose wing is as bad as a split wing.  Well, I went ahead and culled my one male who showed a "loose" wing on his right side.

Now I have a question.

Once I got him culled and was processing him, I noticed that I could fit my THUMB between his pubic bones.  We were talking about pelvic spacing on this thread a few days ago too.

This is my question... which is more important?  I'm trying to increase abdominal capacity in my hens because despite they're being an egg-laying breed, they don't lay great.  So, I'm working to improve this.  This loose wing issue... is it something  he would have DEFINITELY passed on or just MAYBE? 

Hopefully I won't face this issue again but if I do, I need to know which way to vote.

Somebody please?
Could someone also clarify the term loose wing? Is it just holding the wing "loosely" ie kinda hanging downward, or something else?
 
When you have a split wing, the axial feather is missing and there is a gap between the primaries and secondaries. When the wing is folded, the primaries lay on the outside of the secondaries instead of the other way around.

With a loose wing, it was described this way... all the feathers are present, including the axial feather. When the wing is closed, is closes properly with the primaries underneath the secondaries but the first 2 or 3 (or more?) feathers of the secondaries don't lay right or look out of order. It looks very untidy and very much like a split wing when closed.

I picked this bird up at least a half dozen times to check for a split wing. The axial feather has always been there. It really aggravated me that this happened with his folded wing and now that I discovered his abdominal spacing, I'm completely ticked off about the whole thing. I never took a picture. There is a photo on CSU of a marans (?) with a loose wing. If you go to that thread and search "loose wing" or "split wing" the picture will probably come up in one of the posts it gives you.
 
When you have a split wing, the axial feather is missing and there is a gap between the primaries and secondaries.  When the wing is folded, the primaries lay on the outside of the secondaries instead of the other way around.

With a loose wing, it was described this way... all the feathers are present, including the axial feather.  When the wing is closed, is closes properly with the primaries underneath the secondaries but the first 2 or 3 (or more?) feathers of the secondaries don't lay right or look out of order.  It looks very untidy and very much like a split wing when closed.

I picked this bird up at least a half dozen times to check for a split wing.  The axial feather has always been there.  It really aggravated me that this happened with his folded wing and now that I discovered his abdominal spacing, I'm completely ticked off about the whole thing.  I never took a picture.  There is a photo on CSU of a marans (?) with a loose wing.  If you go to that thread and search "loose wing" or "split wing" the picture will probably come up in one of the posts it gives you.
Thank you, totally different from what I was envisioning. I remember you talking about your bird on CSU, somehow I missed the photo and just didn't put it all together.

Edited to add - went back through the CSU pics, if you are talking about the photo desertmarcy posted of her barnevelder cockerel, that was split wing. I don't think anyone has posted loose wing yet, but it still helps as a visual.
 
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I just got a request for some good old fashion H chickens DOMINIQUES. Does anyone on this thread know who got some from NEW YORK REDS when he had them. Let us know. Bob
 
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