Bob Blosl's Heritage Large Fowl Thread

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Bob, I want you to know that I spent the holiday weekend working on a plan to transition from three hatchery laying hens to a small, mostly closed flock of standard-bred dual-purpose large fowl. Preferably black javas. Would appreciate any feedback on the plan, especially regarding facilities/skills I might need (or not need):

Phase 1 was basic chicken keeping. My three hatchery laying hens will be culled when I start my breeding program, but for now they're decent layers and good practice birds. I've kept them alive and they look a lot better than they did a year ago when I got them. So far so good.

Phase 2: I just ordered a small cabinet incubator (a Reptipro - holds 32 eggs). Plan on getting some hatching eggs to check out my hatching/brooding/culling techniques. I could house half a dozen grown out birds with the space I currently have available. If I hatch out more than that my culling techniques will get honed early.

Phase 3: Build the breeding facilities and find a good, matched trio to start with. I plan on hatching out about 30 birds a year and culling heavily, wintering over a couple of breeding trios and a layer flock of up to 15 birds. After the first year I plan on a form of line breeding, taking the best young cockerel and breeding it back to the two original hens, and taking the best two pullets and breeding them back to the original cock. But I'm only going to have room for two breeding pens, so I'll probably have to introduce new blood every few years.

My plan is to build a 20' x 20' enclosure with a solid roof, hardware cloth screening on 3 sides, and a dirt floor, sectioned off into two 5 x 12' breeding pens and a 10' x 20' growout area, with the remaining 8' x 10' space for access and storage and a brooder setup. The breeding pens and growout pen will have removable dividers between them so I can open up the spaces when breeding season is over. I will also be able to section off part of the growout pen if necessary.

Thanks for any feedback you all can give me.

Sarah
 
I've said it before, but I'll say it again.

Bob using the word "Heritage" is what got me interested in Standard Breed Fowl. As Walt stated, the APA has no statement or position at this time on what defines a "heritage" fowl. But if a catchy word or phrase can draw new members to the fancy? I'm all for it.

Bob has said himself he uses the word to trick people into looking at the old time, bred to the SOP type of poultry. And I am proof it works. I am one of those people who has always had chickens. Most all the fowl I ever owned were ordered from those pretty hatchery catalogs. And I never once had a bird grow out to look like those nice shiny pictures. Sorta close, almost, but not like the pictures. Until BYC I had never heard of the APA. ABA, the Standard of Perfection, a chicken show.... none of it. I've had thousands upon thousands of chickens in my life and was never exposed to any of this. BYC is full of a lot of goofy threads and misinformation, but if it wasn't for BYC I personally would never have known the difference in a hatchery chicken and a pure bred chicken.

Like Arielle, I still see a need and place for both hatchery and "Heritage" fowl. It's a fact that 99% of the poultry owners couldn't care less about breeding any type bird to the SOP. They want a pretty bird that will grow fast, lay lots of eggs and that can be replaced cheap in a couple of years when it burns out. This thread is one of those threads that is geared to the other 1% that either have and raise "heritage" fowl or would like to.

Because of Bob getting me interested (or "tricked" if you will) and LOTS of other folks helping me with answers to questions or links to better info like Walt, Bill, Chris, Kathy, Al and several others... I now own some of these old line birds. I also owe a lot to people like Fred, Junior, George, and others who like me are just starting out. I learn from those of you who know and those of us who sometimes make mistakes.

I will say the best advise Bob has given me is to go slow and see what you like before you commit. Just my opinion, but I think if you are going to stick with it and be in that 1% who stay with it for years and really learn to be a breeder and not just a propagator you have to LOVE the breed you are working with.

I'll admit, the experts still talk over my head sometimes about genetics and such, but I listen, I try to do what I feel is the best advise. Occasionally I still think an expert is full of... manure? But I accept they know more than I do, so I'm willing to give it a try. I'm learning. Baby steps, but I'm learning.

So to each and every one of you who have helped me... I'll say what I think each and every day when I sit out in the yard and see those beautiful birds....

THANK YOU!

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mississippifarmboy, I have been raising "Heritage" poultry since 1979, but still do not know as much as Walt and them. Its a learning process. Trial and error But I would prefer learning from the trial and errors of Walt, Bob and others than my own. Less expensive. We have added (temporarily) a pen of Heritage Rhode Island Reds. These are Jimmy's new birds. 3 cockerels and 3 pullets from the Ricky Bates line via FOGELLY's flock. A friend bought some eggs and hatched them out and had lots of extras. Jimmy will take them home ... after he secures his pens from any predator attacks.

They are not as pretty as my Orpingtons, but they will do!
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Their feathers got wet when they dumped their water bowl in the truck. They look great this morning!


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Yes it makes perfect sense. The reason they can breed those copycat varieties and breeds is simply because its easy to do. What's not easy is to breed them correctly and as close to the standard as possible. If you take a pen of birds and just throw them in the pen and let them procreate they will produce over and over, again and again, the same clones. Look at breeding for color for example, if you don't stay on top of this in about 8 generations they will all look like the color of Jungle fowl (partridge) it is the nature of the beast. Therefore to keep a RIR's or (anything else as a matter of fact) pure you have to select for certain qualities/traits that differentiates them from anything else, simple as that LOL

Jeff
Thanks Jeff

Scott
 
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