Bob Blosl's Heritage Large Fowl Thread

[fowlman01]

eWh/eWh s+/s+ Ar+/Ar+ Di/Di Mh/Mh (New Hampshire)

eWh/eWh s+/s+ Ar+/Ar+ Di/Di Mh/Mh Ml/Ml (similar to New Hampshire but with Ml which provides black stripe in lower hackle)

eWh/eWh s+/s+ Ar+/Ar+ Mh/Mh Db/Db (true red form as in New Hampshire but darker, lacking Dilute {Di}).

eWh/eWh s+/s+ Ar+/Ar+ Mh/Mh Db/Db 'rb/rb' (exhibition Rhode Island Red , depth of color from interaction of Mh and rb on Wheaton base. Undercolour from light Mahogany to salmon colour



Walt can you tell me what the heck this means.????????????????? Maybe if I can figure it out in the next 30 years I can breed better colored Rhode Island Reds. This looks like something Hillery Clinton might have discovered in Calif when she was in school out there with her PhD professors. Steve you no what I mean. I love genetics its so interesting and I dont know what the heck they are talking about but maybe it will help the next master breeder.

Well going to pop me some pop corn and sit down with my dog and watch the debate. You all have a nice night Matt I caught a big flounder after I talked to you in the boat. The Specks are in the river. Will go again tomorrow afternoon. bob.

I don't use color formula's. I do it the old fashioned way.after a while you kind of know what is going to happen when you put two birds together. That stuff only means something if you know what the birds are really carrying.


This is the New Hamp color....the birds in the sun.

Walt

 

[fowlman01]

double post.......almost as bad as Bob forgetting to latch the cage door of his RIR at the show.

Walt

 

[Hangtown Farms]

Another Idea on the covering of the wire sides for the cold spells (which are usually short and sweet here in the deep south as Chris knows all well)LOL is to staple viscuine or what I do is cut those seemingly everlasting plastic feed sacks up and use them as a tarp-like pieces and staple them to the sides and this is easily done in seconds and easily removed rather quickly for the warm days, and too, also one could permanently attach the top and roll them up and secure them when not in use and roll them down and fasten them when needed. Just a few helpful hints. Most of all my pens, coops, barn, and hen houses are completely open or 3/4 open sided too as Chris mentioned the heat is more of a concern than the cold here they (chickens) can pretty much handle the cold temps here all but windy and cold wet rain.


Jeff

they need good ventilation though to prevent disease

 

[bruceh]

ok walt. chris and others. i am reading this thread from the start. i am truly in love with the true heritage breed birds. i want to learn all i can. i am ready to throw the hatchery stock out and start over. i won't they lay to good. however i will replace those birds with heritage breed birds after their time has passed. i am just in aw of their beauty.

thanks to all,

bruce h

 

[fowlman01]

ok walt. chris and others. i am reading this thread from the start. i am truly in love with the true heritage breed birds. i want to learn all i can. i am ready to throw the hatchery stock out and start over. i won't they lay to good. however i will replace those birds with heritage breed birds after their time has passed. i am just in aw of their beauty.

thanks to all,

bruce h

Welcome to the dark side......

w.

 

[3riverschick]

fowlman wrote:

I don't use color formula's. I do it the old fashioned way.after a while you kind of know what is going to happen when you put two birds together. That stuff only means something if you know what the birds are really carrying.
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So true Walt, Above is the Art of Breeding. I am trying so hard to learn it. But it cannot be done by books alone. Developing an art in anything requires actual practice of the skill. Anyone can breed by color formulas. In my opinion, it is the understanding and manipulation of the nuances of a breed in the Art of Breeding that sets a breeder and his strain apart from the ordinary. I posted the color formulas because I thought it might help to show the differences in the colors by naming the differences in their genes. Just another arrow in the quiver of knowledge.
Best,
Karen

 

[Robert Blosl]

I never got to Zoology school but to use those genetic charts you would need a degree.

All the master breeders I interviewed 30 years ago did two things they did not use line breeding charts from the 1920s and did not know anything about genetic terms. Heck only one had a idea about the color scheme of a R I Red. There where two people that felt it was a color combination of Red, Yellow, Black and Red. From my research the yellow is the most important color as it will if over done will block the beetle green color to the wings and tail.

The secret that we learned from George Underwood was in the ticking of the female. If you had stripes in the neck of the female a major fault then they would block the black to the wings and tail. Also, it could become a fixed trait in the line and show up in the males neck and neck under color. The correct method of understanding R I Red Color was in the female and to make sure she had ticking or no ticking at all and if you did your chances of managing your color in your line could be successfully. This is a breeder secret 101. You lurkers cut this message out and staple it to your chicken house wall or save it and put it in your bill fold.

If you ever talk Reds at a show with a beginner and he says I am having trouble with my R I Reds and about to give up on them pull it out of your bill fold or purse and show them this message. Its up to them to conform to the LAWS of breeding RI Red color or go the way as hundreds of others have gone. Like growing Hy bred Tea Roses there is a right way and a wrong way. Most go the wrong way. There are rules or laws with them as well or you will go down the road of defeat. White chickens only one law type. However, Walt I saw some yellow in my males qills and feathers yesterday washing them and there is a trait a secret, but dont tell no one its called the SILVER WHITE gene.

Have a nice day. Walt those are some pretty colored chickens. What kind are they? New Hampshire Reds?

Bruce welcome to the dark side of this web site. What breeds are you interested in?

 

[catdaddyfro]

I never got to Zoology school but to use those genetic charts you would need a degree.

All the master breeders I interviewed 30 years ago did two things they did not use line breeding charts from the 1920s and did not know anything about genetic terms. Heck only one had a idea about the color scheme of a R I Red. There where two people that felt it was a color combination of Red, Yellow, Black and Red. From my research the yellow is the most important color as it will if over done will block the beetle green color to the wings and tail.

The secret that we learned from George Underwood was in the ticking of the female. If you had stripes in the neck of the female a major fault then they would block the black to the wings and tail. Also, it could become a fixed trait in the line and show up in the males neck and neck under color. The correct method of understanding R I Red Color was in the female and to make sure she had ticking or no ticking at all and if you did your chances of managing your color in your line could be successfully. This is a breeder secret 101. You lurkers cut this message out and staple it to your chicken house wall or save it and put it in your bill fold.

If you ever talk Reds at a show with a beginner and he says I am having trouble with my R I Reds and about to give up on them pull it out of your bill fold or purse and show them this message. Its up to them to conform to the LAWS of breeding RI Red color or go the way as hundreds of others have gone. Like growing Hy bred Tea Roses there is a right way and a wrong way. Most go the wrong way. There are rules or laws with them as well or you will go down the road of defeat. White chickens only one law type. However, Walt I saw some yellow in my males qills and feathers yesterday washing them and there is a trait a secret, but dont tell no one its called the SILVER WHITE gene.

Have a nice day. Walt those are some pretty colored chickens. What kind are they? New Hampshire Reds?

Ha ha Bob you ol' trickster I see your trying to get responses here from your "Reds" quote LOL I wonder if the reason people put the RED behind the New Hampshire if it is their way of distinguishing the chicken breed from a (HAWG) hog breed.

Jeff

 

[catdaddyfro]

they need good ventilation though to prevent disease

Yeah they got to have fresh air coming in and humid, stale air going out.

I'd hope that most folks rearing up a living, breathing animal would figure not to shut them up air tight,

Jeff

 

[Maven]

I don't use color formula's. I do it the old fashioned way.after a while you kind of know what is going to happen when you put two birds together. That stuff only means something if you know what the birds are really carrying.


This is the New Hamp color....the birds in the sun.

Walt

Gorgeous birds, Walt!

Hey, I finally got an answer from that fellow that had the Buff Orpington chicks. Long story short - he gets eggs from a 'part time neighbor' (??) to hatch when the neighbor comes around - said he's never even seen the actual stock that the eggs come from but knows they are from cackle hatchery. The chicks are 3 weeks old, and he says they are big heavy birds and good layers (I assume the neighbor has told him this because he never keeps any of the chicks, just hatches and sells)...but it all just sounds a little too iffy for me, so I guess no pictures for your piano.

I'll hold out for some solid heritage stock. I don't want show birds, but I want good foundation stock because I'm trying to develop a good, strong dual purpose flock.

Thanks for the offer to look them over for me! I appreciate it!