Bob Blosl's Heritage Large Fowl Thread

[snowbird]

I'm breeding Columbian Wyandotte and have made a copy of the information these past several posts for my breedng file. I'm assuming that the advice in Mike Michael wrote would translate to any Columbian pattern. Also the genetic info 3riverchick shared covers Wyandotte.

Any information shared would be most appreciated.
The bird on the left back is much younger and is a Cochin/Wyandotte for the layer pen. The pullets are now laying. The pullet in the front left is a good typey girl with some speckling. I will try her under the rooster in the spring for a test hatch. The pullet on the right will also go into a breeding pen.


Two more I'm thinking of keeping.





This pullet is really smaller than her siblings but has the sweetest personality of all the birds,

I believe that if you check the undercolor of the pullets with the black ticing you will see a real dark undercolor. I never breed a female with ticing on the back. Best policy until you get a gresp of what you are working with is single mate everything until you see what is producing and what is not. The hackle on the female should be colored up to ear level.

 

[catdaddyfro]

Thanks Don

I did this last year, but perhaps selected the wrong female. I have 2 (one hen, one pullet) with VERY dark undercolor. I will single mate this K to both of them and see what I get next year.

I can't complain too much, I'm a far cry from where I started, just getting a little too impatient again

Thanks

Got to push the wheel barrow(patience) not pull it or you'll spill all the stuff out it and hurt your back too, you know that and know that I'm just kidding with you.

You can still get there from here.<(Jeff Foxworthy/"sickamoe" street) LOL

Jeff

 

[catdaddyfro]

I believe that if you check the undercolor of the pullets with the black ticing you will see a real dark undercolor. I never breed a female with ticing on the back. Best policy until you get a gresp of what you are working with is single mate everything until you see what is producing and what is not. The hackle on the female should be colored up to ear level.

How about pullets with color a little higher (to the comb/or nearly) use the lightest headed male over them?

Jeff

 

[NanaKat]

Quote: And how do you move the color up higher on the neck to the ear lobe? In reviewing the Columbian color in the Standard, I can see that my hackle is not as high on the neck as the photo examples. So selecting hackle feathering along with type?
Yes, the undercolor on the birds with ticking is darker. She will make a great addition to the layer flock.
The girls with the white backs have a bluish undercolor that is not as dark.
Will be checking the hackle now on all the birds including the original breeders.

 

[snowbird]

How about pullets with color a little higher (to the comb/or nearly) use the lightest headed male over them?

Jeff

Yes, that would be one way to correct it, First thing we should always do is check the undercolor as it controls the Black markings all over the bird. I might just go ahead and use a pullet with extra hacke color with a normal male looking for a couple of breeder males offspring. The better we get the color on the males the bigger chance that the males will have too much color as cock birds. Also if you are looking for good colored male young do not use a make with black in the breast. Using the male with some black in brest will help with getting the female more correct color but the males out of this will most likely be culls.

 

[snowbird]

And how do you move the color up higher on the neck to the ear lobe? In reviewing the Columbian color in the Standard, I can see that my hackle is not as high on the neck as the photo examples. So selecting hackle feathering along with type?
Yes, the undercolor on the birds with ticking is darker. She will make a great addition to the layer flock.
The girls with the white backs have a bluish undercolor that is not as dark.
Will be checking the hackle now on all the birds including the original breeders.

The easiest way to move the black up on the hackle is selecting the female that are most correct. You correct colored female appear to have the correct undercolor.

The biggest thing about being lax on checking how high the black goes is that the longer it goes uncorrected the harder it is to correct.

Maybe Walt will comment.

 

[catdaddyfro]

Yes, that would be one way to correct it, First thing we should always do is check the undercolor as it controls the Black markings all over the bird. I might just go ahead and use a pullet with extra hacke color with a normal male looking for a couple of breeder males offspring. The better we get the color on the males the bigger chance that the males will have too much color as cock birds. Also if you are looking for good colored male young do not use a make with black in the breast. Using the male with some black in brest will help with getting the female more correct color but the males out of this will most likely be culls.

Thanks I got a long way to go still yet, but I am always looking and storing up info for the future usage. Will more than likely have a bunch more new to Columbian pattern breeding ques. I'm sure (I'm very sure)

Undercolor first then go from there, got it.

Jeff

 

[Yard full o' rocks]

Thanks I got a long way to go still yet, but I am always looking and storing up info for the future usage. Will more than likely have a bunch more new to Columbian pattern breeding ques. I'm sure (I'm very sure)

Undercolor first then go from there, got it.

Jeff

Jeff

I'm gonna be "culling" some females in Sept.....if you know if anyone headed this way. There have to be a few in here "use-able" to you and might help you get a few more on the ground

Send me some pix of the ones you have and I'll start looking at the ones I'll be getting rid of....we'll see if I have anything that can help ya

 

[Robert Blosl]

THIS IS THE MALE I DREAM ABOUT SO THATS WHAT WE SHOULD SET OUR GOAL FOR IN TYPE.


This is what happen to me about four or five years ago. I screwed up my time on my red bantams I had males with great type so I inbreed my females back to one male for three generations his best daughters back each year to him then to his brother for two years. Next thing I know I had flat top brick shape top lines like he had. He corrected or fixed it for me. You could take the best colored male with the best type at least a good breast that is full and rounded legs dead center and if his tail is crapy the females will correct it for you over time. Breed the best male or two back again to the top two females and inbreed them back and in say three years you should have five or six ckls that have that classic rock length of body, fully furnished tail full breast legs dead center and they look symmetrical. Don't worry about inbreeding and all that stuff that beginners get hung up on. These birds have been outcrossed with brahma and rock blood so the vigor should not be a issue. Then once you get the type where you want it. Start on more line breeding programs. Can rotate a male to a new female and start with the normal every day line breeding mattings.

Got to have good heads, good body's with that gravy bowl type and tight rock feathers. You have done well as Walt has stated. You are right on track. Its a five year program and in my view your right on pace. Got to think smart build the barn then paint it in two years. The color will be there and by then we all will be smarter on how to breed this color pattern and help you. bob

 

[finnfur]

Isn't it a STRANGE STRANGE World . Reading discussions about increasing Columbian neck pattern called striping, and us Delaware people are trying to get rid of it so it will be gradient barring and stippling .
Reverse Goals so this is all educational.

[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Thanks Catdaddy for educating me on the SOP terminology [/FONT]